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Who doesn't consider him a top fighter, other than his haters?
Well that, and it's a bad list.
and "I'm not going to count fighters when Floyd was in his prime." Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
Floyd's ATG status was achieved before welterweight and then you went on to list only what, 2-3 sub 147 guys on your list? (that didn't exist while he fought regularly below 147)
You ask nicely and I'll put together a list that doesn't include ingGGG
Who doesn't consider him a top fighter, other than his haters?
Tyson fought cab drivers. He's also a different breed. Can't compare him and Mayweather. Mayweather is a defensive specialist. He makes great fighters look stupid. Just like what he'll do vs Pacquiao.
well floyd is the draw. For years noone had a problem with De la Hoya making almost $40 million to Hopkins $10 when Hopkins was the undisputed mw champ. Noone had problems with Tyson making 30 million to Bruce Seldon's $5 million in 96 when they fought for Seldon's wba belt, but now since floyd is the draw and champ, it should be a split haha.
cab drivers? Holmes in 87 was a cab driver? The same Holmes 4 years later took holyfield the distance? Tony Tucker was undefeated and a champion and went the distance with Lennox Lewis years later. Tyson destroyed Ruddock's career through 19 rounds and he was never the same after that . Spinks was older, but he had never been knocked down or out and let's not forget more than a few people were picking spinks in 88(i didn't). Tyson was a defensive specialist. He not only made you miss, but he made you pay. Tyson wasn't just some club fighter like Gatti. You can't be serious. He was one of the best defensive hws of all time.
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No he won't. He won't touch Pac. Just like pac won't touch him. Because they won't fight.
That was so BS when they kept stopping the fight for Mayweather
I think floyd receives a lot of unfair criticism, but he isn't top 10 all time. Boxing has 18 weight classes(10 back in the day) and I can name 10 fighters all time better than floyd. It's not all about the records. If that's the case, then where do you rank Sven Ottke and Joe Calzagge? Compe ion also plays a part. I'm unbiased when talking about floyd. I'll defend him and at the same time criticize him for his bull . I don't want to see him fight Khan at all. Bull fight. Leonard, Ali, Robinson, Hopkins, Duran, Chavez, Armstrong, Greb, are a few undeniable fighters that are better than floyd. For starters, floyd has never unified or cleaned out a division. I've seen him take risks with Corrales and Castillo, but I can never see him doing what Sugar Ray did in taking on those types of challenges. I don't see it.I just think it's ing hilarious that someone could be 40+ and 0 and no one even considers him a top 10 fighter of all-time. As in, not even knocking on the doorstep of top 10. Says all you need to know about "Money".
If Floyd was really interesting in being considered one of the best, he would have fought Manny for less money. Period. End of story. He would rather make more money than solidify his status as a boxer. Which is fine. No problem with that. But it is a mark on his legacy.
Maindana was not gonna win that fight. He is a brawler. I was upset the fight was even made, but i gave him 5 rounds in the first fight. He was never gonna win the fight
Why should he fight for less money? I love Tim Duncan, not a kobe fan at all, but i aint mad at kobe for kobe for breaking the bank in LA. It's about legacy but about cash as well. If Hagler had chose to take less money, he would have beat the out of leonard, but he chose to take more money and gave lenoard the size of gloves, size of ring, and 12 rounds instead of 15. Look what happened to him. It's easy for us to sit here and tell millionaires they should forfeit 15-20 million to make us happy
Nobody wants Floyd to die because boxing is not a sport anymore, is all about entertaining, even some dumb fans says Gay deserves 70/30 because he never lost a fight, he will never make the same amount of $ a Gay-Pac fight can bring even at 50/50 Gay will earn more than running away from second hand latinos so he needs Pacquiao, but if that fight really happens it will be fixed, there is enough money for everybody.
I'm no a "Floyd hater" because I can clearly see when someone's being a pussy and backing down from a fight then playing it off with excuses. I don't even like Pacquiao either. I also didn't say Mayweather didn't deserve a larger share. I said 70% was an absurdly high share. And no he does not deserve 2 1/3rd times as much.
So you swung and missed by labeling me a "Floyd hater" when I couldn't give a less about either guy, then "replied" to a strawman stance I never made. Awful reply all around.
This between the two boxers is annoying as . They need to fight already or stop ting up the media with this garbage. I literally wouldn't even watch the fight if it happened now unless it was free.
lol naruto
And they won't fight because Pac-Roids is a washed-up pussy who's been done for ages. It's amazing the he's been allowed to pull. He managed to duck Floyd for his entire prime and have everyone blame Floyd for it.
Mayrunner only likes to beat on women,,,its why he ducks the Pacman. He's like A.P. beating his 4 year old,,,,he wants to act tough against the weak.
If that's the case, then he's definitely not scared of Pac-Roids' weak, feminine ass.
Obviously he is when he makes ridiculous demands,,,just fight the guy already. Pacman has already said he's in.
He's not making ridiculous demands, he's asking for a share comparable to the amount of money, interest and viewership he's bringing in to the fight.
Pac-Roids has been flip-flopping on the drug testing issue all along to duck Floyd. Now he will probably start making excuses about the money. The reality is that Pac-Roids will never allow the fight to happen because he's a washed-up pussy and he's protected by the media.
just to chime in..
I'm from the Philippines, and I've followed Pacquiao's career since 1996.
The people saying he's broke and is begging for this fight simply isnt true.
He and his family has been financially set for 2 lifetimes, living in the Philippines since the 3rd Morales fight. Maybe even before that. Not joking here.
40,000 US dollars a year (not a lot for US standards), living in the Philippines is way more than enough to live decently. That's something like 1.7 million pesos.
That's like a 5000 pesos a day budget. And the daily minimum wage is around 500 pesos.
He's got contracts with the Philippines biggest food and beverage corporation, has businesses and property everywhere, so even if he does have tax issues in the US and in the Philippines, even if he pays up millions, and worst case scenario he only gets to keep a million dollars of his fight earnings (highly unlikely, because Bob Arum has probably taught him how to keep the money in Manny's offshore bank accounts) he'll still be able to live like a rich man in the Philippines.
Mayrunner is making all the stipulations to avoid the fight. Pacman should demand a lie detector test about how many women Mayrunner has beat on.
Why can't Pac-Roids just decide on whether or not he's willing to take a drug test, instead of flip-flopping to the opposite of Floyd's opinion on it whenever it's convenient?
I'm not begrudging Mayweather his right to take more money, just like I'm not saying Kobe shouldn't have signed for 48.Why should he fight for less money? I love Tim Duncan, not a kobe fan at all, but i aint mad at kobe for kobe for breaking the bank in LA. It's about legacy but about cash as well. If Hagler had chose to take less money, he would have beat the out of leonard, but he chose to take more money and gave lenoard the size of gloves, size of ring, and 12 rounds instead of 15. Look what happened to him. It's easy for us to sit here and tell millionaires they should forfeit 15-20 million to make us happy
The rub is when you start talking about wanting to be "the greatest". If you WANT to be in that conversation, then your own personal finances, at some point, have to take a back seat to legacy.
You want to be considered "the GOAT"? You want to even be in the CONVERSATION? Then your entire career can't be motivated by money first and foremost.
There's a reason the UFC has taken over as the combat sport. Because they don't allow fighters to not fight each other. If Manny and Floyd were in the UFC, that fight would have happened 8 years ago and we'd probably be on Floyd/Manny IV by now.
Why should he have to take a drug test? How about a drug test for Pac and a lie detector for Mayrunner,,,I bet Mayrunner folds and runs away again.
The amount of respect Floyd gets from boxers is unreal. Sugar Ray Leonard himself said, he doesn't think he can knock/beat floyd out.
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