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    given the choice between him and Kirilenko...I'm honestly not sure whom to pick. Kirilenko has better shooting and can pass. Smith on the other hand has instincts that require a total reboot. There was one game I cringed so hard after seeing Jennings give him the ball for the game-winner; Smoove had the time to drive all the way to the cup but instead jacked it up from three.

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    For a chance at a ring, yes. And cir stance has made him shoot like that.
    A team coached by Van Gundy and has a talented player like Drummond is considered bad cir stances? He even pulled this same cancerous in Atlanta. Dude thinks he's better than he actually is.

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    He would make them better because he'd obviously come off the bench for those teams. Come on now.
    Come off the bench and take terrible shots, have a FG% lower than Kobe's (who is at least a shooting Guard), ruin team chemistry, have awful body language, and not be a team player in any way... people like him because they remember seeing some of his dunks on Sportscenter. He doesn't help.

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    Either way, I can already feel this being a 40 page thread.

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    Injury insurance.

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    Although right now Ayres > Smith

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    He should be a Laker. Him and Shaggy P can team up with Kobe and be the most selfish team in the NBA.

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    A team coached by Van Gundy and has a talented player like Drummond is considered bad cir stances? He even pulled this same cancerous in Atlanta. Dude thinks he's better than he actually is.
    The team coached by Van Gundy, who couldn't handle Dwight Howard, and has a talented player like Drummond is 5-23 so yeah, I'd say those are bad cir stances.

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    which is a cāncer

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    I understand all the reservations expressed here, but I still think most contenders are gonna take a shot at this considering how high reward/low risk it is potentially.

    I don't put such supreme faith in SVG that I think his failing proves Josh Smith is unsalvageable. I put far more faith in Pop and Chip than that fattie, he's got his hands full with that whole mess of a team and it was just his first year in Detroit. Someone like Pop or Thibs could shake something of value out of Smith, and if not, bench/cut him.

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    It takes a lot, even for a very wealthy owner to say, it, just take the $40 mil and go.

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    The team coached by Van Gundy, who couldn't handle Dwight Howard, and has a talented player like Drummond is 5-23 so yeah, I'd say those are bad cir stances.
    The Pistons do have problems aside from Josh Smith but i would agree with you if he didnt already pull this kind of crap in Atlanta (a team that was already a playoff contender).

    Smith could be a low risk signing but it remains to be seen that he would be willing to accept a bench role like you claim.

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    Sometimes you gotta take gambles if you wanna make it to the top, especially in a Western Conference where everyone is so close and so compe ive. Ultimately for a team that just won the championship last year, that may not be seen as worthwhile or necessary, but you better believe it's a worthwhile risk for nearly every other contender if they've got the space.

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    The Pistons do have problems aside from Josh Smith but i would agree with you if he didnt already pull this kind of crap in Atlanta (a team that was already a playoff contender).

    Smith could be a low risk signing but it remains to be seen that he would be willing to accept a bench role like you claim.
    Even when he pulled that crap in Atlanta, he was one of the main reasons they made the playoffs. The guy can defend when motivated, too, and that's ultimately the reason Lebron will demand he goes to Cleveland.

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    greys...I'm pretty surprised Chinook is on board with this too.

    Thankfully, he's not coming to the Spurs. He won't want to and I'm sure the Spurs have learned their lesson about role players that need to ball to be effective.

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    Smith counts $5.8M for the next SEVEN YEARS on the Piston's books. OUCH.
    Not sure why they stretched him. They're not competing in the next 2 years anyway, so the cap space isn't very useful. On the other hand, with the cap going up that much, it'll take up a smaller % of the cap each year.

    Only silver lining I see here is that he was in an awful situation - Monroe and Drummond clogged the paint and you have to fight off Jennings for every shot. He deserves a ton of blame, but perhaps can be salvaged by a good team? I just hope he goes East - he's more useful than the annual Caron Butler signings.

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    Sometimes you gotta take gambles if you wanna make it to the top, especially in a Western Conference where everyone is so close and so compe ive. Ultimately for a team that just won the championship last year, that may not be seen as worthwhile or necessary, but you better believe it's a worthwhile risk for nearly every other contender if they've got the space.
    I understand this viewpoint, but I'm gonna stick to the theory that he makes a good team worse, and not better. He has cut down on his historically bad 3 pt shot attempts per game and is still shooting a career low 39.1 FG%. His +/- last season was zero-- on a terrible team. This year he's at -10. No excuse of "playing out of position" should account for numbers that bad.

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    Even when he pulled that crap in Atlanta, he was one of the main reasons they made the playoffs. The guy can defend when motivated, too, and that's ultimately the reason Lebron will demand he goes to Cleveland.
    I'm not denying his potential but he seems like too much of a knucklehead to know his role. He will probably end up going to the Clippers since they are the team desperate for a small forward.

    And I just saw that they are interested in signing him.

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    Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?

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    Some of you guys have probably only used Smith on 2k15 rather than actually seen him play. Dude sucks

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    Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?
    Exactly. I think mostly people remember some slam dunks on Sportscenter two years ago, and then their casual fan friends saying, "wow, that guy's really GOOD!"

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    Have any of you even watched Josh Smith play?
    demanded a max contract while with Atlanta which ultimately led to them trying to trade him even though he "was the reason they won games."
    had a good coach in Van Gundy and a promising player in Drummond in Detroit surrounding him but he still chose to take bad shots

    It says a lot when you have Brandon Jennings on your team as well but they rather part ways with Smith.

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    Josh Smith is bad now, but there was a time when his defense was first-rate. If you keep him on a short leash and pay him the meager salary he deserves, why not? Nobody seriously thinks that Ayres or Daye is better than Josh Smith, right?

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    And considering you guys all piss and moan about not making free throws, I bet you'd love this guy who is shooting 47% from the free throw line

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    people remember his potential. He unfortuantely never reached it, but there was a point when he was in the conversation for leading the next generation of NBA superstars. Too bad he is a headcase, never learned to shoot, and always thought he was better than what he was. That last bit probably comes from being put on a bad team early and being told to go win games, rather than being developed.

    I don't think he helps a team win now, but it will really come down to weather or not any of the contenders still think he has potential... not to be a Superstar, but to realign his game and be a roleplayer. If he was only asked to defend & rebound and was OK with not scoring he could be a huge asset. It remains to be seen if he can actually do that though.

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