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    Lopez is a really mediocre basketball player, tbh..Damn, is this going to be another case of NBA fans overrating a player that hasn't been good in years?..

    I'm never going to understand why NBA fans are so enamored with names, tbh..
    Scoring makes up about 99% of an average fans player evaluation. smh

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    Can't believe the Thunder are giving up on Lamb so quickly, some players picked in the early teens ride the bench their first 3 years and then blossom into lucky Allen Iversons.
    apparently has a rep as very inconsistent player. Lowe said he has nice game and the disappears for a few weeks at a time.

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    Lol okc
    Lol brooks
    Lol giving up on youngsters

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    A great trade for OKC this would be the equivalent to the Gasol trade. If OKC can get into the playoffs they can definitely create a lot of noise if this trade goes down.
    LOL, no. Gasol was a strong rebounder and good defender, Brooke is charmin soft.

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    Lopez can be a solid bench scoring piece, he's not a starter..the Nets have gotten better every time he sits out..

    The Warriors learned the same thing about David Lee..these types of soft bigs can't start on a top-level team..

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    OKC freaking out since they heard that Kawhi was coming back....

    NBA= ed

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    moral victory, tbh. Franklin's Avatar
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    OKC stacked, top western teams are gonna start to tank some games just to avoid the #1 and #2 seeds (since OKC won't likely finish above 7)... it doesn't include the Guest team though, they're going down the slope anyway habitually

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    Lopez's greatest strength is scoring, of which OKC doesn't need any. In fact, it will take the ball away from Durant and westbrook and make OkC worse.

    He can't pass, can't defend, can't rebound or do anything else. Ibaka is a good weak side defender (ie shot blocker) but not a strong one on one defender In The post. Not sure how this would help OKC at all.

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    hopefully doesn't happen, i have steven adams in fantasy

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    Lopez's greatest strength is scoring, of which OKC doesn't need any. In fact, it will take the ball away from Durant and westbrook and make OkC worse.

    He can't pass, can't defend, can't rebound or do anything else. Ibaka is a good weak side defender (ie shot blocker) but not a strong one on one defender In The post. Not sure how this would help OKC at all.
    much easier to play inside out tbh. Can't foul brook much and he's going to score consistently if help doesn't come, therefore he just needs to make a pass and rw and durant can obviously catch and shoot. Defensively, they were going to use ibaka and a wing defender anyway, so it's a great fit. Obviously the problem is brook's injury history.

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    I wont regurgitate but not an ideal fit. It's a talent upgrade. And on paper it make them more dangerous but rarely does a team make huge deals to core players mid seasons and then win a le. Usually it's a fringe guy or role player that adds depth or provides something a contender lacks ...

    OKC is NOT winning a le this year. SO Spur fans should be happy for that more than anything else. But it looked doubtful even BEFORe this deal.

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    much easier to play inside out tbh. Can't foul brook much and he's going to score consistently if help doesn't come, therefore he just needs to make a pass and rw and durant can obviously catch and shoot. Defensively, they were going to use ibaka and a wing defender anyway, so it's a great fit. Obviously the problem is brook's injury history.
    My observations with Lopez is that he is just not good of a passer, and Westbrook and Durant are not catch and shooters. In fact, if you reduce them to that, it works in the Spurs favour.

    From a Spurs perspective, Splitter or Duncan can effectively guard Lopez, and Kawhi, Green and even Ginobili are great at the passing lanes. Anytime you can take the ball out of Durant or Westbrook hands is a good thing.

    As for defense, Ibaka is not really that good defensively, he's great weakside, but that is providing Perkins was already there to do enough damage. A guy like Duncan can score on Ibaka all day long and draw him away from the lane, which, again, works to the Spurs advantage.

    That said, I don't have a crystal ball, and I have had horrible takes in the past, so we will see .....

    BTW, I still see OKC as the Spurs primary threat in the West, they just match up so well against the Spurs from an athletic point of view. The next greatest threats are GSW (obviously as they have the best record, but also because they have these versatile wing players and Bogut manning the middle, when healthy), HOU (Never figured out how to guard Harden, but it's a great thing McHale is their coach, and they don't have any other reliable creators on offense), and that's pretty much it.

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    My observations with Lopez is that he is just not good of a passer, and Westbrook and Durant are not catch and shooters. In fact, if you reduce them to that, it works in the Spurs favour.

    From a Spurs perspective, Splitter or Duncan can effectively guard Lopez, and Kawhi, Green and even Ginobili are great at the passing lanes. Anytime you can take the ball out of Durant or Westbrook hands is a good thing.

    As for defense, Ibaka is not really that good defensively, he's great weakside, but that is providing Perkins was already there to do enough damage. A guy like Duncan can score on Ibaka all day long and draw him away from the lane, which, again, works to the Spurs advantage.

    That said, I don't have a crystal ball, and I have had horrible takes in the past, so we will see .....

    BTW, I still see OKC as the Spurs primary threat in the West, they just match up so well against the Spurs from an athletic point of view. The next greatest threats are GSW (obviously as they have the best record, but also because they have these versatile wing players and Bogut manning the middle, when healthy), HOU (Never figured out how to guard Harden, but it's a great thing McHale is their coach, and they don't have any other reliable creators on offense), and that's pretty much it.
    I wish Houston could find a way to get Ty Lawson. Don't know what other PGs besides Dragic are out there.

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    My observations with Lopez is that he is just not good of a passer, and Westbrook and Durant are not catch and shooters. In fact, if you reduce them to that, it works in the Spurs favour.

    From a Spurs perspective, Splitter or Duncan can effectively guard Lopez, and Kawhi, Green and even Ginobili are great at the passing lanes. Anytime you can take the ball out of Durant or Westbrook hands is a good thing.

    As for defense, Ibaka is not really that good defensively, he's great weakside, but that is providing Perkins was already there to do enough damage. A guy like Duncan can score on Ibaka all day long and draw him away from the lane, which, again, works to the Spurs advantage.

    That said, I don't have a crystal ball, and I have had horrible takes in the past, so we will see .....

    BTW, I still see OKC as the Spurs primary threat in the West, they just match up so well against the Spurs from an athletic point of view. The next greatest threats are GSW (obviously as they have the best record, but also because they have these versatile wing players and Bogut manning the middle, when healthy), HOU (Never figured out how to guard Harden, but it's a great thing McHale is their coach, and they don't have any other reliable creators on offense), and that's pretty much it.
    how are durant and rw not good catch and shoot players? You leave them open, they are going to score, it's that simple.

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    I wish Houston could find a way to get Ty Lawson. Don't know what other PGs besides Dragic are out there.
    Lawson is not a fit for harden, Houston would need a pg that defends and can play off the ball. Dragič is perhaps the best possible fit, but i doubt he want's to return to houston.

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    how are durant and rw not good catch and shoot players? You leave them open, they are going to score, it's that simple.
    Not that they are not good ones, but they are not catch and shooters. Their strength is that they are creators on offense, and that's when they are most dangerous.

    Nobody would turn Lebron, Jordan, or Kobe into catch and shooters, because they are a LOT more than that. Limiting their roles in to catch and shooters hurts your offense because they take away their strengths. It's like turning Nash into a catch and shooter. Can he do it? Sure, but that's limiting him.

    Good catch and shooters go for much cheaper than Durant and Westbrook, tying up the majority of your cap on two catch and shooters will doom you.

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    Not that they are not good ones, but they are not catch and shooters. Their strength is that they are creators on offense, and that's when they are most dangerous.

    Nobody would turn Lebron, Jordan, or Kobe into catch and shooters, because they are a LOT more than that. Limiting their roles in to catch and shooters hurts your offense because they take away their strengths. It's like turning Nash into a catch and shooter. Can he do it? Sure, but that's limiting him.

    Good catch and shooters go for much cheaper than Durant and Westbrook, tying up the majority of your cap on two catch and shooters will doom you.
    All three are very bad examples as they aren't even close to being comparable shooters to rw and durant. It's also not the idea to make them catch and shooters, but to have an alternative depending on matchups.

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    I wish Houston could find a way to get Ty Lawson. Don't know what other PGs besides Dragic are out there.
    The thing is that Harden is really ball dominant, and he has enough PG skills on defense that you don't really need a traditional PG next to him. Someone in the mold of the Bulls Ron Harper (a tall SG type person who defends well, has some PG skills, and can shoot) would be ideal. I can't think of anybody who would fit right now, maybe a guy like Korver or Brandon Knight would work, but those guys are too expensive and way more than necessary.

    HOU's C, PF, and SG positions are more than set. All they need is a decent PG (don't have to be an allstar), a decent bench, and a coach, and they would be a championship team (likely favourite).

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    All three are very bad examples as they aren't even close to being comparable shooters to rw and durant. It's also not the idea to make them catch and shooters, but to have an alternative depending on matchups.
    I'd say all three are better shooters than Westbrook, and Nash is obviously one of the best shooters in the history of the league.

    Options are always good, but I'd have a hard time imagining a situation in the playoffs where a matchup would warrant taking the ball away from Westbrook/Durant and giving it to Lopez. Not to mention Lopez camping his ass within 10 feet of the basket would muck up the driving lanes for OKC. He's a decent enough shooter from outside, but Ibaka is already doing that right now, not to mention him playing outside of the paint will make the idea of playing inside-out moot.

    I can see Ibaka and Lopez setting double screens, with Westbrook and Durant handling the ball for multiple offensive options (drive to the basket, off ball screens with either the screener or the guy coming off the off ball screen getting the ball, on ball screens with the ball handler or the screener scoring, etc ..., lots of options), but that would be a donut team on offense, kill offensive rebound chances, and be a very unpredictable offense.

    It's going to be tough.

    On defense, Lopez is a disaster.

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    All these players moving between teams won't change the outcome of the season.

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    I'd say all three are better shooters than Westbrook, and Nash is obviously one of the best shooters in the history of the league.

    Options are always good, but I'd have a hard time imagining a situation in the playoffs where a matchup would warrant taking the ball away from Westbrook/Durant and giving it to Lopez. Not to mention Lopez camping his ass within 10 feet of the basket would muck up the driving lanes for OKC. He's a decent enough shooter from outside, but Ibaka is already doing that right now, not to mention him playing outside of the paint will make the idea of playing inside-out moot.

    I can see Ibaka and Lopez setting double screens, with Westbrook and Durant handling the ball for multiple offensive options (drive to the basket, off ball screens with either the screener or the guy coming off the off ball screen getting the ball, on ball screens with the ball handler or the screener scoring, etc ..., lots of options), but that would be a donut team on offense, kill offensive rebound chances, and be a very unpredictable offense.

    It's going to be tough.

    On defense, Lopez is a disaster.
    all three are among the worst 3point shooters in history. Nash obviously is a whole different matter. Brook Lopez to okc would give them an alternative to constant isoing which is their main problem.

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    dont think Lopez would help OKC tbh. Ibaka is superior due to his D and he is a bigman shooter. How they could possibly be together is beyond me.

    Lopez would fit in Golden State like a glove tbh. oh well

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    all three are among the worst 3point shooters in history. Nash obviously is a whole different matter. Brook Lopez to okc would give them an alternative to constant isoing which is their main problem.
    OKC's problem is that they need less ISO, not more. They ISO like no other in the league already, and it's successful because of Westbrook and Durant.

    Just think about this, would you rather have Lopez or Durant/Westbrook iso? So how would taking the ball out of their hands and giving it to Lopez be good? It would be good from a variety/throw the defense off sort of way, but not as a main strategy.

    And I don't know where you got the idea that they are the worst 3 point shooters in history, they are not Steve Kerr, but Kobe (33.4%), Jordan (32.7% in an era of less emphasis on 3 pt shooting), and Lebron (34.2%) are all at least average or above average shooters. Durant checks in at 37.9% and Westbrook at 30.2%.

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    OKC's problem is they need a decent coach. Lopez won't fix that problem.

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    OKC's problem is that they need less ISO, not more. They ISO like no other in the league already, and it's successful because of Westbrook and Durant.

    Just think about this, would you rather have Lopez or Durant/Westbrook iso? So how would taking the ball out of their hands and giving it to Lopez be good? It would be good from a variety/throw the defense off sort of way, but not as a main strategy.

    And I don't know where you got the idea that they are the worst 3 point shooters in history, they are not Steve Kerr, but Kobe (33.4%), Jordan (32.7% in an era of less emphasis on 3 pt shooting), and Lebron (34.2%) are all at least average or above average shooters. Durant checks in at 37.9% and Westbrook at 30.2%.
    what i'm saying is, that having lopez, would help them have LESS iso's, not more.

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