Why would Kawhi stay here if Tim and Manu hang them up at season's end?

[elemento]

Zero chance Kawhi signs a QO

It happened with Monroe and Nick Young because the rest of the league didn't want to pay what they wanted either. Monroe wanted a max contract and Young wanted a 10m+/year contract.
That's not gonna happen with Leonard simply because there are several teams willing to give Kawhi the max if SA refuses to do so. And SA had no reason to give him a max extension before exploring the market using the cap hit of his QO .

Also, the Parsons route won't work with Kawhi. Before signing any deal, he can simply reach an agreement with SAS FO signing a full 4/5 max extension with a PO in the last year or any way he wants. Parsons never had that option because Morey didn't think he was max player in the first place and that's why Cuban's strategy to give him a short-term deal paid off.

Kawhi is a lock to stay. I don't even think Spurs fans should be worried about it.

[DMX7]

Cojo and Green are still a very nice backcourt + Tim will be here at least one more season IMO.

[in2deep]

Kawhi is the kind of guy who doesn't care much of who stays of leaves the Spurs. He is not a relationship kind of guy. If he's offered the max and he likes the chances of the team, he will stay, otherwise he'll be gone.

he does not seem like the type to give 2nd s at "missing" guys or teams

[Mikeanaro]

He will stay, Kiwi is not the big market kind of guy maybe killing Enrique will fix things a bit.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Tough question for STers : Would you accept Kawhi going somewhere if it meant Harlem and his apalisoc echo go with him too?

[K...]

It's far more likely that is kawhi leaves via a trade. The spurs are not going to let their best asset just leave. But if it's a true rebuild and kawhi wants to leave i think the spurs and k will work it out.

[hater]

what a stupid thread

kawhi doesn't give a about Manu and Duncan.

[Diego20]

what a stupid thread

kawhi doesn't give a about Manu and Duncan.

Neither does Enrique about Kawhi, so that's the problem here..

[EVAY]

I wonder if Parker would be willing to re-negotiate his contract to make it easier for the FO to attract more people. There is precedent for it.

When Duncan was making $22 M a year in his last year before he signed this contract for a lot less, people were saying that Parker was getting too little.

Duncan took less as he declined. Manu took less as he declined. Sean ****** re-negotiated his contract to allow the money he had been promised to be spread over a much longer period. This was after his kidney surgery, IIRC. If Pop asked him to do it, I think Parker might be willing to go along with it.

None of these guys need the gazillions they have made, and if they take it over a longer time it will still be there - just later.

[EVAY]

Tough question for STers : Would you accept Kawhi going somewhere if it meant Harlem and his apalisoc echo go with him too?

Damn...that's a of a temptation, isn't it?

[in2deep]

Tough question for STers : Would you accept Kawhi going somewhere if it meant Harlem and his apalisoc echo go with him too?

they would just be replaced by another couple of moronic posters. so no deal

[Mel_13]

How many people understand the concept of restricted FA in this thread.

Folks should read this. Especially the part about the maximum qualifying offer. Less hysteria that way.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

[taps]

rakers

[ElNono]

It happened with Monroe and Nick Young because the rest of the league didn't want to pay what they wanted either. Monroe wanted a max contract and Young wanted a 10m+/year contract.
That's not gonna happen with Leonard simply because there are several teams willing to give Kawhi the max if SA refuses to do so. And SA had no reason to give him a max extension before exploring the market using the cap hit of his QO.

I thought the Pistons did offer Monroe the max (or at least there were rumors about that). I'm just not sure people that tasted glory want to be in a rebuilding situation, be it the Spurs or teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, etc...

[daslicer]

I think Kawhi will not take the QO. You gotta look at it from this perspective he's young and is looking for a big payday. Its pretty risky to play for 1 year and risk getting hurt. That is one of the major reasons most guys don't go for the QO.

[Mel_13]

I thought the Pistons did offer Monroe the max (or at least there were rumors about that)

They didn't. There were rumors that of some other team(s) that was willing to pay the max in a sign and trade.

There's absolutely no history of a player turning down a max contract to take a QO.

[ElNono]

They didn't. There were rumors that of some other team(s) that was willing to pay the max in a sign and trade.

There's absolutely no history of a player turning down a max contract to take a QO.

There were certainly these kind of comments floating around:

Monroe and the Pistons could not agree on an extension, and even if the Pistons had offered Monroe a max contract, there was a strong chance Monroe would’ve declined. In four seasons with Detroit, Monroe has played for four coaches, and the Pistons have not won more than 30 games in any of those seasons.

Monroe’s representatives steered other teams from presenting Monroe with an offer sheet because they didn’t want the Pistons to match and keep Monroe for another four seasons. Now, Monroe will have freedom to pick his next team, and that’s what he wanted: control of his future.

There is some risk in signing a qualifying offer – Monroe could get hurt or have a down season. But Monroe, the No. 7 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, has missed just three games in his career, and new Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy will still have to utilize Monroe, even with center Andre Drummond.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-from-pistons/

Funny thing about Monroe is, would he sign an extension now that the Pistons are looking good?

[james evans]

Parker not knowing his role will ultimately lead to Kawhi leaving the team...

I thought the very same thing last night. If the spurs want to keep their loyalty with an aging pg with 2 years max left to play, that would be one of the dumbest mistakes ever. Move him to the bench or ship him out

[SnakeBoy]

5 rings but Kawhi won't stay because the Spurs can't attract any talent...uh ok.

[ElNono]

5 rings but Kawhi won't stay because the Spurs can't attract any talent...uh ok.

The scenario here is that the core that gave you those 5 rings is retiring. When you start looking at the top 5 players of that 5 rings run, they were all picked up in the draft (DRob, Tim, Manu, TP, Kawhi). The only "big" splash the Spurs really did in FA was RJ, a monumental disaster, and a player that was obviously far from his peak level.

[Mel_13]

There were certainly these kind of comments floating around:

Monroe and the Pistons could not agree on an extension, and even if the Pistons had offered Monroe a max contract, there was a strong chance Monroe would’ve declined. In four seasons with Detroit, Monroe has played for four coaches, and the Pistons have not won more than 30 games in any of those seasons.

Monroe’s representatives steered other teams from presenting Monroe with an offer sheet because they didn’t want the Pistons to match and keep Monroe for another four seasons. Now, Monroe will have freedom to pick his next team, and that’s what he wanted: control of his future.

There is some risk in signing a qualifying offer – Monroe could get hurt or have a down season. But Monroe, the No. 7 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, has missed just three games in his career, and new Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy will still have to utilize Monroe, even with center Andre Drummond.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-from-pistons/

Funny thing about Monroe is, would he sign an extension now that the Pistons are looking good?

Good question. The Pistons certainly look like a better organization in January than they did in July.

As for that unsourced speculation, it doesn't apply to Kawhi's situation.

[Mel_13]

The scenario here is that the core that gave you those 5 rings is retiring. When you start looking at the top 5 players of that 5 rings run, they were all picked up in the draft (DRob, Tim, Manu, TP, Kawhi). The only "big" splash the Spurs really did in FA was RJ, a monumental disaster, and a player that was obviously far from his peak level.

RJ was acquired in a trade. The Spurs haven't used cap space to acquire a free agent since 2003. The notion that big money free agents won't come to SA has not been tested in a dozen years.

[ElNono]

Good question. The Pistons certainly look like a better organization in January than they did in July.

As for that unsourced speculation, it doesn't apply to Kawhi's situation.

I would agree with that. The other option that was not brought up yet, but it's certainly possible is that he can always force his way out of the team at a later date if he feels he's wasting his time. It would be ugly, but it's been done many times before.

[ElNono]

RJ was acquired in a trade. The Spurs haven't used cap space to acquire a free agent since 2003. The notion that big money free agents won't come to SA has not been tested in a dozen years.

Since the courting of Jason Kidd?

[Mel_13]

I would agree with that. The other option that was not brought up yet, but it's certainly possible is that he can always force his way out of the team at a later date if he feels he's wasting his time. It would be ugly, but it's been done many times before.

Always possible, but it seems unlikely. When you really get down to it, how many franchises in the NBA can you say will definitely will be contenders over the next 5-10 years? Melo found out that forcing your way out is only half the battle.