How would a prime Olajuwon fare against a prime Duncan?

[Koolaid_Man]

Goddamn you're ty. Read through the thread, that video has been posted like 9 times and the arguments you're making have been made like 400 times over.

I assume that's your real profile pic....so here it goes....Listen up fat boy...it's obvious your a loser...so instead of belaboring what a pussy u truly are and hiding behind a competent poster act by calling my post ty why dont you do what you do best and just honestly communicate to the board how I hurt your feelings because I said Timmy wasn't worth as it pertains to Dream...Listen fat boy Timmy is done...his glory days are over everything else is just to keep you numnuts in a perpetual state of heartbreak...and guess what...I ING LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF YOUR SUFFERING!!!

[21_Dickings]

I assume that's your real profile pic....so here it goes....Listen up fat boy...it's obvious your a loser...so instead of belaboring what a pussy u truly are and hiding behind a competent poster act by calling my post ty why dont you do what you do best and just honestly communicate to the board how I hurt your feelings because I said Timmy wasn't worth as it pertains to Dream...Listen fat boy Timmy is done...his glory days are over everything else is just to keep you numnuts in a perpetual state of heartbreak...and guess what...I ING LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF YOUR SUFFERING!!!

Lame.

[PublicOption]

TD

the dream

[Killakobe81]

shred? i think that is disrespecting Duncan and overrating hakeem...

BUT I do think Hakeem in his prime is better than duncan.

But duncan's ability to raise his game in the playoffs means he will not get dominated the way David did vs. hakeem.

I respect Duncan THAT much even though i think prime Olajawon is better than every big man i have seen with my own eyes EXCEPT Kareem ...

[Killakobe81]

Nice try, got. Hakeem is closer to 50 playing against guys that are still great athletes. I'll put it like this. Amare looks like the greatest PF in the league when he plays Duncan. Hakeem would wipe his ass with Duncan on both ends. You guys already saw what he did to a prime DRob, and it would be no different. And stop with this bull like Hakeem only had two stellar years. The guy was a beast from the start of his rookie season. No sense of making this debate, because we all know that Duncan would have allowed Bonner to guard Hakeem. He's a power forward, remember.

a bit harsh, Luva but this ...was funny!

[Killakobe81]

95 Hakeem The Dream could be considered the greatest basketball player of all time. In the playoffs, he went through the league's top 4 players (Malone, Barkley, Robinson, and Shaq) in one playoff run, putting up ridiculous numbers.

I've never seen a player as good as 95 Hakeem. Not 3 peat Shaq, first 3 peat Jordan, or 03 Duncan.

It's no insult to Duncan to claim that he would get outclassed by 95 Hakeem. He outclassed everyone.

Great post agree with every word thoughthe jordan part is debateable (and im no jordan lover, but still)

But I agree those 2 years was as impressive as any player of the modern era ...

with my own eyes I would place:

1. Kareem
2. hakeem
3. Duncan
4. Shaq
5. Ewing
6. David

Duncan being 3rd on that list is impressive all in itself ..

and LOL the folks talking about dirk, amare Cwebb in the same sentence when discussing the merits of defense and ALL NBA defense first team nods ...LMAO

[Booharv]

I assume that's your real profile pic....so here it goes....Listen up fat boy...it's obvious your a loser...

Nah, that's Brian Windhorst the Cavs beat writer.

so instead of belaboring what a pussy u truly are and hiding behind a competent poster act by calling my post ty

Your post was ty though, sorry had tbh.

why dont you do what you do best and just honestly communicate to the board how I hurt your feelings because I said Timmy wasn't worth as it pertains to Dream

I've been arguing that Hakeem is better than Duncan this entire thread. Which you would know if you read the thread.

his glory days are over everything else is just to keep you numnuts in a perpetual state of heartbreak...and guess what...I ING LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF YOUR SUFFERING!!!

allcaps makes for a fitting conclusion to another of your ty posts.

[TinTin]

Nah, that's Brian Windhorst the Cavs beat writer.



Your post was ty though, sorry had tbh.



I've been arguing that Hakeem is better than Duncan this entire thread. Which you would know if you read the thread.



allcaps makes for a fitting conclusion to another of your ty posts.

ed on

[ogait]

To put the numbers into perspective, Duncan is a Center, dominating the PF position. He get his numbers against the likes of Chuck Hayes and Michael Beasley.

Hakeem was a PF, dominating the Center position against much bigger players. Duncan, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson, Kareem, Parish... all bigger than Hakeem.

Ok I'm not arguing one way or the other on who would win this matchup, but this isn't a very compelling argument.
So basicly you are saying that Hakeem was better because because he was a center and Duncan as a taller power forward didn't have enough compe ion in his position.
Oh well, If only all the teams who faced Duncan had remembered to have is starting center defending him, he wouldn't even had a single tle by now.

Anyway I'm not a big fan of this fantasy match ups between players from different eras, maybe you just meant that Big men in the 90's were better than now.

Not to sound biased, but Duncan vs Dream is NO comparison. Duncan vs Yao, Duncan wins hands down!

Plz Duncan vs Hakeem is a much bigger debate than Duncan vs Yao. Only thing Yao can do better is shoot FT's.

[Killakobe81]

You mean like Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, a non-fat Shaquille O'Neal, and Alonzo Mourning? Late 80s to mid 90s actually had maybe the best group of quality centers at the same time in NBA history. As a group, I don't think there was another era that had a better collection of quality centers at the same time. Even had an old Kareem and old Moses for a couple years in the mid 80s. , look at now and the current NBA's best center has no post game.

And moreover, the first few seasons of Tim's NBA career was spent with David Robinson. While David wasn't the same player as he was earlier in his career, he still afforded Tim to not have to defend the opposing team's best big man, or at the very least share in that duty. And you look at the other elite big men in the league during the last 10 or so years and you have hybrid PF/C like KG and Dirk who are perimeter oriented big men. You can't say at all with any certainty that Duncan would dominated the same way Hakeem did in his prime.

Sometimes I hate these debates because it ends up with arguments that makes it seem you have to discredit one player for the sake of praising the other. Yes, I believe Hakeem in his prime was better than Tim in his prime. But I don't want it to come across that I think Tim isn't great. Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward to ever play the game. Despite my own personal opinion that at least half of his career he was actually a center, it doesn't mean I don't think he is an all time great. Both Tim and Hakeem are top 10 players in the history of the game in my opinion. It's also just my opinion that Hakeem was better. I know many disagree.

But don't tell me if someone posted that "Tim Duncan was good" you wouldn't call them out for that. You can't just call Hakeem "good." So yes, "great" is better.

Best post in this whole thread and on a topic that KEEPS coming up ...

duncan is the best PF ever but a notch below hakeem as a big man ...but it's close and DEFINITELY debatable ...

Better question is 2003 Duncan vs. 2000 shaq ...I think edge goes to SHAQ ..

BUT I am one of the guys in here who prefers duncan at his best over Shaq ...but in 2000 Shaq was ALMOST as dominant as Hakeem was in 95-96

IMHO shaq's prime ..2000 plust the 2001 2002 and 2004 NBA finals was shorter than Hakeem's ...

[cesare borgia]

Hakeem would have destroy Duncan. David Robinson was a better defensive player than Duncan.

[ambchang]

Coming from a Spurs fan, Hakeem would beat Duncan 1 on 1.

Duncan is more of a team player than Hakeem though, his ability to see the court was better than Hakeem's, Duncan would do the little things like setting a screen, or sliding over on defense with positioning, blocking out so that his teammates can grab a rebound. Not saying that Hakeem doesn't do those things, but he never did it to a degree that Duncan did it.

It's no coincidence that Hakeem's teams in the late 80's weren't any good. Yes, management sucked, but Hakeem's teams were routinely mid 40-wins team for most of his career, until he had Tomjonavich surrounding him with prolific 3 pt shooters.

Duncan on the other hand, won a championship with Avery Johnson, one of the worst 3pt shooting PG in the modern game. He won a championship with totally different supporting casts and a different set of styles.

Duncan is more versatile in his approach to team game, but Hakeem was way more athletic and skilled than Duncan, both offensively and defensively.

[lefty]

Olajuwon would beat the out of Duncan

[TE]

For all these pages to have gone on and for all you dumbasses to make fools of yourselves into believing your assertions and predictions actually matter (a special F-U, and a have a nice day for all you Laker Duncan haters), I can't just begin to laugh.


These players played in two totally different eras. Duncan did play against Olajuwan in a regular season exhibition game but that can't help this debate anymore than what you idiots predict on your personal biasness.



Get a clue, both players were absolutely dominant in their eras...JUST ABSOLUTELY, you cannot simply compare these two magnificent players anymore than comparing Kobe and Jordan once more.

[Greg Oden]

I know the real answer, but my bias won't let me openly say it so I'll create a loophole.

I fixed it for you. Saved a lot of unnecessary keystrokes tbh.

[mystargtr34]

Coming from a Spurs fan, Hakeem would beat Duncan 1 on 1.

Duncan is more of a team player than Hakeem though, his ability to see the court was better than Hakeem's, Duncan would do the little things like setting a screen, or sliding over on defense with positioning, blocking out so that his teammates can grab a rebound. Not saying that Hakeem doesn't do those things, but he never did it to a degree that Duncan did it.

It's no coincidence that Hakeem's teams in the late 80's weren't any good. Yes, management sucked, but Hakeem's teams were routinely mid 40-wins team for most of his career, until he had Tomjonavich surrounding him with prolific 3 pt shooters.

Duncan on the other hand, won a championship with Avery Johnson, one of the worst 3pt shooting PG in the modern game. He won a championship with totally different supporting casts and a different set of styles.

Duncan is more versatile in his approach to team game, but Hakeem was way more athletic and skilled than Duncan, both offensively and defensively.

Pretty good post. Not only would Hakeem beat Duncan 1 v 1... i would put my money on David Robinson doing the same... and Shaq... and maybe even Kevin Garnett.

[hitmantb]

2003 Duncan > 1995 Hakeem.

Took a worse team than the 95 rockets over Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

People really forgot how bad Spurs was as a team, if you take away a championship team's best player, that was the worst championship team in the history of the NBA.

[LkrFan]

Dream would DESTROY Duncan - just ask Shaq, Ewing, Parish, Mailman, and D Robinson (ALL HOF bigs). He was cat-quick. He was agile. He had more post moves than prime Lurch. He was strong too.

All joking to the side, Duncan is 1st ballot, but prime Dream would have done him dirty. Real dirty.

[LkrFan]

2003 Duncan > 1995 Hakeem.

Took a worse team than the 95 rockets over Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

People really forgot how bad Spurs was as a team, if you take away a championship team's best player, that was the worst championship team in the history of the NBA.

1) Shaq was 485lbs in 2003
2) 1995 Rockets were one of the weakest champions I've ever seen.

[spurraider21]

2) 1995 Rockets were one of the weakest champions I've ever seen.

if only they had duncan instead of dream

[LkrFan]

if only they had duncan instead of dream

[baseline bum]

Dream would DESTROY Duncan - just ask Shaq, Ewing, Parish, Mailman, and D Robinson (ALL HOF bigs). He was cat-quick. He was agile. He had more post moves than prime Lurch. He was strong too.

All joking to the side, Duncan is 1st ballot, but prime Dream would have done him dirty. Real dirty.

LeBron over Kobe would be worse though.

[baseline bum]

2) 1995 Rockets were one of the weakest champions I've ever seen.

LOL, what? They went through a 62 win team, a 60 win team, a 59 win team, and a 57 win team. The 1994 team was nothing special but Drexler made the 1995 team a juggernaut. No one else has had a le run that difficult. Not even close.

[LkrFan]

LeBron over Kobe would be worse though.

Prime Kobe? Please. He couldn't stop him. , even MJ says he couldn't check Kobe because Kobe "stole all of his moves." Kobe is the greatest one on one player in NBA history.

[baseline bum]

Prime Kobe? Please. He couldn't stop him. , even MJ says he couldn't check Kobe because Kobe "stole all of his moves." Kobe is the greatest one on one player in NBA history.

You gotta lay off the micheladas so early in the day Ramon.