American Sniper's Failure

[spurraider21]

people dont pay attention in high school and then complain that high schools suck

[ElNono]

people dont pay attention in high school and then complain that high schools suck

High school did suck, that's exactly why you don't pay attention

[spurraider21]

High school did suck, that's exactly why you don't pay attention

students never stood a chance

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicCowboy

I just got off the phone with my father wishing him happy birthday. The reason why I bring this up is he knows more about weapons and bullets than any other man I've ever met in my life ( ...he owns a shooting range). And basically he agrees with you. So I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong.

He told me the whole bullet "rising" scenario....comes from the difference in sight level and bore level. The sight is actually angled slightly downward....and the bore level is perfectly horizontal. The bullet rises only in relationship with the sight level. At some point the two paths (sight level and bore level) intersect. This is where you are zeroed at.

But even my father....says that he hears this debate all the time at his shooting range.

it's a little hard to wrap your head around if your only experience is limited use of a scoped rifle where someone says "aim here to hit this".. i have huge respect for these snipers making these mile plus shots....Even with accurate range there is still a lot of math with air density, temperature, wind, thermal effect, etc. i've done a lot of shooting with small high speed calibers (.220 swift, 22.250) at out to 800 yards (a little over 1/2 mile) on small beer can sized targets (prairie dogs) and adjustments get crazy...wind is always an issue with those light bullets...A typical 600 yard shot with quartering wind I might be aiming 65" high and 120" to the right. It's a kick in the ass to get the target dope right and get that "red mist" affirmation that it was a hit.

[Silver&Black]

it's a little hard to wrap your head around if your only experience is limited use of a scoped rifle where someone says "aim here to hit this".. i have huge respect for these snipers making these mile plus shots....Even with accurate range there is still a lot of math with air density, temperature, wind, thermal effect, etc. i've done a lot of shooting with small high speed calibers (.220 swift, 22.250) at out to 800 yards (a little over 1/2 mile) on small beer can sized targets (prairie dogs) and adjustments get crazy...wind is always an issue with those light bullets...A typical 600 yard shot with quartering wind I might be aiming 65" high and 120" to the right. It's a kick in the ass to get the target dope right and get that "red mist" affirmation that it was a hit.

It's a whole lot easier today than it was say 20 years ago for our snipers. Well easier is the only word I can come up with. I say this only because the technology has improved drastically. Now they have instruments that can automatically calculate elevation differences, wind velocities, and the difference between magnetic north and true north. But, even with this said, it's still not a guarantee that you're gonna get that "red mist" (I call it the "pink mist") hit.

Like you....I've got a ton of respect for these guys. And like yourself...I'm a huge fan of shooting. One of my favorite activities is .22 shooting. At my fathers' range....probably once every other month we have a shooting compe ion. Me and him take two computer keyboards, place them at around 50 yards, and we pick a word to try and spell. Needless to say, I'm good.....but I never win against him. The old bas still can shoot the off a hummingbird.

[CosmicCowboy]

i built a range at the ranch with concrete shooting benches and 50'', 50yd, 100yd, 150yd, and 200yd target frames. Have another range with a portable shooting bench for 300yd, 400yd, and 500yd.

I used to be lease boss on a 13,000 acre hunting lease in South Texas that was really nice...had a 5000sf house, commercial kitchen, cook and housekeeper, swimming pool, game room, 5000 ft landing strip etc.I needed 20 hunters every year paying big bucks to fill it so every year I would get a few new hunters, most wealthy with big egos. They would get a few drinks in them and start bragging about all the great shots they had made on deer in the past...At least one every year would brag on the '500 yards, running, broke his neck" shot. i would laugh and bet them $100 they couldn't hit a garbage can lid at 500 yards. Being alcohol brave they would take me up on the bet and they would always lose. I had a range already set up on the runway....I made over a thousand dollars on that bet. Your average hunter has no clue on long range ballistics and at 500 yards the target even "moves" in the scope because of temperature waves and refraction in the air...They would ALWAYS shoot under it. I know the 7mm Mag handloads I was shooting at the time dropped 64" at 500 yards.

[Aztecfan03]

don't make me do an Avante zoooooooom at you.
The same physics would apply to anything.

Throwing a baseball flat and dropping one at the same time. The dropped one hits first every time. The fired bullet would take even longer than the thrown baseball.
Which is heavier....a ton of lead or a ton of feathers?

you may be confused because baseballs aren't usually thrown flat.

[Aztecfan03]

I didn't take physics in high school but I was unfortunate enough to take Physics I, II, and III in college. Physics I wasn't bad (BTW...my teacher was awesome...that might have been the reason I think it wasn't that bad)....but Physics II and III sucked ass. Electricity is a tricky concept to grab for some (especially me). Glad I went the civil engineering route....instead of the electrical engineering route.

All I want to know about electricity is when I flip the switch on my wall....the light should come on. And if it doesn't, It means I haven't paid my electricity bill

high school physics is what led me to decide on engineering. I went with mechanical but I could have seen myself going with electrical because i've gotten some of those concepts really well.

[Aztecfan03]

High school did suck, that's exactly why you don't pay attention

I had AP(advanced placement) courses so i paid attention for the most part. I dropped to normal english because I was terrible at essays and stuff and that kind of sucked .

[cantthinkofanything]

you may be confused because baseballs aren't usually thrown flat.

I meant to say if the baseball was shot out of a gun

[boutons_deux]

Texas declares ‘Chris Kyle Day,’ as Medal of Honor pe ion drive launches

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/02/texas-declares-chris-kyle-day-as-medal-honor-pe ion-drive-launches/

a special day, in ing Texas, of course, and MoH for a sicko creep.

[sickdsm]

Texas declares ‘Chris Kyle Day,’ as Medal of Honor pe ion drive launches

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/02/texas-declares-chris-kyle-day-as-medal-honor-pe ion-drive-launches/

a special day, in ing Texas, of course, and MoH for a sicko creep.

So what makes him a sicko creep?






IMO it has less merit doing this after the movie came out.

[boutons_deux]

So what makes him a sicko creep?

read his book, or the many excerpts from the book on many sites.

the movie was Hollywood, the book was Creep Kyle

[ChumpDumper]

So what makes him a sicko creep?

I think it's more the weird lying. I know what Eastwood goes for these days, but it would have been incredible if a director included all the weird lies and presented Kyle as an unreliable narrator. Keep all the they had in the movie but also show him punching Ventura ( , get Jesse himself in the movie), killing carjackers then getting out of it through his reputation and especially shooting multiple looters from the top of the Superdome. Kyle's legacy is really ambiguous and the movie should reflect that.

IMO it has less merit doing this after the movie came out.

It means nothing. Empty base rousing from Ironside.

[cantthinkofanything]

read his book, or the many excerpts from the book on many sites.

the movie was Hollywood, the book was Creep Kyle

why don't you just tell us?

[boutons_deux]

why don't you just tell us?

I like to stay positive

[Spurminator]

It means nothing. Empty base rousing from Ironside.

Related:
http://www.gregabbott.com/pe ion-poll/chris-kyle-day/

Does Greg Abbott know what a pe ion is?

[cantthinkofanything]

I like to stay positive

[IceColdBrewski]

It's just a movie Libs. No need to get all hurty butt about it.

[boutons_deux]

It's just a movie Libs. No need to get all hurty butt about it.

I'm not talking about the movie, but about the Kyle in his book.

[cantthinkofanything]

I'm not talking about the movie, but about the Kyle in his book.

shut the up and go eat some steak.

[Adam Lambert]

It's just a movie Libs. No need to get all hurty butt about it.

biting snark.

unfortunately you're a moron if you think it's the libs that have made this more than a movie. cinemark is practically conservative mecca.

to these people going to see american sniper proves that you support the troops and love america, and you better not say anything bad about it or you hate the troops

libs just want to see all of the nominees for their wine and oscars parties

[Darth_Pelican]

American Sniper had a 58.8 million dollar budget and has grossed 248,942,000 so far. Looks pretty successful to me.

The only failure are people who invested their time analyzing this as anything other than a movie whose purpose was to generate revenue.

[spurraider21]

I think it's more the weird lying. I know what Eastwood goes for these days, but it would have been incredible if a director included all the weird lies and presented Kyle as an unreliable narrator. Keep all the they had in the movie but also show him punching Ventura ( , get Jesse himself in the movie), killing carjackers then getting out of it through his reputation and especially shooting multiple looters from the top of the Superdome. Kyle's legacy is really ambiguous and the movie should reflect that.

lol should

[ChumpDumper]

lol should

You've never read an opinion in your life?

Give yourself some tests.