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Yeah he is nice.
ayres, 1st round and 2nd round for goran...
on second thought, it's just going to ruin the rotation..so nah I guess.
Last edited by apalisoc_9; 02-13-2015 at 02:29 AM.
Yeah he is nice.
When will HOU chill w/ the moves and go for some continuity? they never stop.
I'm a fan, but I'm with Chinook. Just don't know how the Spurs could make it work.
I'd be very surprised if Orlando gets a future first for Nicholson, and I wouldn't want the Spurs to give up that much. The wording in Stein's tweet seems to suggest that he no longer has a place in Orlando and that they'll work to move him someplace where he'll have an opportunity to become a rotation player.
A deal for Nicholson would probably be structured around absorbing Andrew into the De Colo TE and moving Ayres to generate a new TE. That would actually be pretty beneficial, since the team is now likely to be over the cap next season.
The issue would be the remaining elements of the deal. Orlando probably wants some type of compensation. Would a second-rounder be enough? Maybe a second and the rights to DeShaun Thomas? I don't want to give up any real asset for Nicholson, since he seems like a Baynes clone at best.
I'll tinker with the trade machine, I guess. It might make sense for the Spurs to use the De Colo TE on Nicholson in a hypothetical scenario in which they have to move Baynes to get a wing upgrade.
EDIT: Maybe something like this...
Spurs in: Afflalo and Nicholson
Spurs out: Beli, Baynes, 2015 first, 2015 second, rights to DeShaun Thomas
Nuggets in: Beli, Baynes, 2015 first
Nuggets out: Afflalo
Magic in: 2015 second, rights to DeShaun Thomas
Magic out: Nicholson
Spurs get a massive upgrade to their backup SF, though I would personally prefer Chandler's versatility. They also have a center locked up for cheap next season if they decide to use cap space after all. Though that's not really a concern until/unless they decide to let go of one of Afflalo or Green.
Nuggets get the first-rounder they want and get some additional value. Beli could probably be moved to a psuedo contender for a pick, and Baynes can fill up some minutes at the five or be traded.
Magic get a pair of assets while not taking on additional salary.
Replacing Afflalo with Chandler would allow the Spurs to trade Ayres instead of Baynes. However, it's not clear that Wilson is a clear upgrade to Beli (not worth a pick for sure), and it's also possible that Denver doesn't think they're getting enough value if they have to eat Ayres.
Last edited by Chinook; 02-13-2015 at 11:54 AM.
I was thinking much smaller. Nicholson for the DeColo TE + future 2nd + overseas draft rights to any player other than Bertans or LJC.
IMO, an Afflao rental isn't worth including a future first.
I agree it's a steep price that should only be paid if the Spurs were confident that Ginobili was retiring (and based on everything I've seen, it's the opposite). A wing rotation of Green/Leonard/Afflalo would be really solid, and Anderson would have a few more years to grow.
I'm not sure it makes sense to trade for Nicholson unless at least one of the current bigs went out. Trading Ayres would be the best since it creates a nice exception while losing no on-court value. Maybe the Spurs could throw in some cash in cover the remainder of Ayres' contract.
In that scenario I assume that they waive Ayres rather than including enough cash to cover the remainder of his salary. Same cost in dollars, but doesn't count against the 3M that they can use in a trade until June 30th.
I'd be more interested in Afflalo if he waived his player option for next year. As it stands, I view him as a rental for 29 games plus the playoffs.
The part about trading Ayres and cash was in a scenario where the Spurs did not plan to use cap space in 2015 (the most likely scenario). At that point, the Spurs are spending $640k or so to create a $2 Million trade exception. That seems like a better use of cash than keeping it for draft night. I don't think the team would even come close to deal with that type of cash in a single transaction.
Also, this scenario is a prime example of why having a small TE can be beneficial. If the team spends a couple more seasons making small trades to refresh and expand their TE, it could be MLE-sized. Would be a fine haul for pretty much just shuffling the back of the roster.
I'd agree. The 2M TE would be worth the price.
I wanted the spurs to trade for Nicholson on the night he was drafted. I hope the time is finally here. I wouldn't trade Baynes at all though. Work the trade exception with Ayers, cut Ayers, only use 2nds. And my comments in the church of Nicholson thread would be more sunny and rosey.
I'd take harkless too.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...212-story.html
If the Spurs people in Orlando don't like Nickolson then the Spurs won't trade for him.
I'd rather wait until next year and bring over the same person without giving up any assets. Livio Jean-Charles. A 6'9" athletic kid with lots of length.
Only 7 pages? You guys slipping...
Last I heard, He was busting, not to be confused with beasting, it up in the French Pro A League. He's been so bad, he barely sees court time. If he can't make it there, he doesn't stand a chance of making it here.
That's assuming the Spurs don't repeat.
It's not.
However, this one is more current...
http://airalamo.com/2014/12/11/spurs...es-struggling/
I understand it was a bit old. And I fully understand the struggles that he has had as well. But I do find it interesting how many resources they are throwing into him. And it would be interesting to know how much is going on behind the scenes.
Them having people with LJC or keeping close tabs on him isn't unusual. They had a guy with Mahinmi when he was in Europe, and it took years and opportunities from other teams for him to be a legit NBA player. And he grew into legit size
Having a bum knee, little skill, and little success off the bench for a team in the French league doesn't sound like some great prospect. If there was game film from recent games I'd like to see it and see how he looks.
They Spurs are likely going to pick around 25. Currently 22nd in the league but 2 games out of the 3rd seed in the West, which would give them at least a top 5 record. It has nothing to due with how far the go in the postseason its based on season standings (if that was what you were implying).
It seems unlikely that Baynes will return after this season, assuming the Spurs go the max salary route. He could have a small role in our playoff run, but if he could be used in a trade for a prospect I'd be for it. Not necessarily only for Nicholson
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