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    "a Republican candidate who pledged to eliminate domestic spying"

    ... would be lying. No Pres is going to control the out-of-control NSA/FBI/CIA/national-securitt-state.





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    why? the reliable 48% will still vote for him if there were an alternative that refused to practice domestic spying.
    I wouldn't.

    I would be fine voting for quite a few Republicans.

    Problem is that the useful idiots vote the way the rich white people that run the Republican party tell them to.

    Those useful idiots would never let anybody who might be even halfway moderate through the gauntlet of GOP primaries.

    The GOP has truly lost its mind.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/11/evol...complet_guide/

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    ut Walker’s refusal to indicate whether he accepts a fundamental tenet of biology underscores the GOP’s tortured relationship with science, not least on evolution. With Walker and other GOP hopefuls gearing up to launch their 2016 campaigns, Salon now provides you with a comprehensive guide to where the Republican candidates stand on the origin of life.

    We boil the prospective candidates’ positions into four categories: Those who unequivocally accept the science; one candidates who accepts it, but with caveats; those who won’t make clear where they stand; and finally, contenders who are evolution denialists.
    he Evolutionists

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    The Asterisk

    Jeb Bush: Asked in 2005 whether he accepted evolution, Bush affirmed that he did — but that it shouldn’t be taught in schools. “Yeah, but I don’t think it should actually be part of the curriculum, to be honest with you,” Bush said. “And people have different points of view and they can be discussed at school, but it does not need to be in the curriculum.” Later that year, he argued that students should be presented with “varying viewpoints.”
    They Aren’t Scientists

    Chris Christie: Does Christie affirm evolutionary science? “That’s none of your business,” he replied with characteristic brusqueness in 2011. “Evolution is required teaching,” he added. “If there’s a certain school district that also wants to teach creationism, that’s not something we should decide in Trenton.”
    Ted Cruz: While his kooky father would like you to know that evolution is a Communist lie, the Texas senator himself “won’t discuss evolution directly,” the New Yorker reported.
    Bobby Jindal: The Brown University biology major, Rhodes scholar, and scorner of “the stupid party” feigns ignorance on the subject, emphasizing last year that he’s not an “evolutionary biologist” and contending that local schools should decide what they teach.
    John Kasich: During his 2010 run for Ohio governor, Kasich seemed to place evolution and creationism on a par with one another, saying only that both evolution and “creation science” should be taught in classrooms.
    Rand Paul: During his 2010 Senate campaign, Paul courted young earth creationists and said he would “pass” on the question of how old the earth is.
    Marco Rubio: Asked the earth’s age in 2012, Rubio replied, “I’m not a scientist, man.” He added, “At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.” After his remarks on the earth’s age were widely derided, Rubio acknowledged that it’s 4.5 billion years old, but maintained that that wasn’t inconsistent with creationism.
    Scott Walker: He’s going to punt on this one.
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    Ben Carson: He may be an acclaimed neurosurgeon, but Carson casts his lot with the creationists. “Evolution and creationism both require faith. It’s just a matter of where you choose to place that faith,” he declared in 2012, proceeding to imply that evolutionists lacked an ethical framework.
    Mike Huckabee: During a 2007 GOP presidential debate, the Southern Baptist preacher and former Arkansas governor indicated that he doesn’t accept evolution. “But you know, if anybody wants to believe they are the descendants of a primate, they are certainly welcome to do it,” he said.
    Rick Perry: Calling evolution just a “theory that’s out there,” Perry proclaimed in 2011 that “God is how we got here.” Creationism and evolution should both be presented in public schools, he added.
    Rick Santorum: Denouncing the idea that evolution is “above reproach,” Santorum said in 2008, “I obviously don’t feel that way. I think there are a lot of problems with the theory of evolution, and do believe that it is used to promote to a worldview that is anti-theist, that is atheist.”

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    I wouldn't.

    I would be fine voting for quite a few Republicans.

    Problem is that the useful idiots vote the way the rich white people that run the Republican party tell them to.

    Those useful idiots would never let anybody who might be even halfway moderate through the gauntlet of GOP primaries.

    The GOP has truly lost its mind.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/11/evol...complet_guide/
    I really wish that the tea party populists would have gone after Priebus and the kingmakers and effected meaningful change in the party. Cruz, Lee, et al are now just cliche obstructionists. History is replete with them and none viewed favorably.

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    You just know that the rest of the world will be looking at this and shaking their heads. In the countries that I travel to I suspect that if a major politician was to state that they did not believe in evolution they would be subject to considerable ridicule.

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    Political satire pretty much writes itself. See jay lenos schtick.

    Jon Stewart is not that funny IMO.

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    I wouldn't.

    I would be fine voting for quite a few Republicans.

    Problem is that the useful idiots vote the way the rich white people that run the Republican party tell them to.

    Those useful idiots would never let anybody who might be even halfway moderate through the gauntlet of GOP primaries.

    The GOP has truly lost its mind.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/11/evol...complet_guide/
    translation: Nuh uh i don't need no freedoms! More gibs me dat!!

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    Political satire pretty much writes itself. See jay lenos schtick.

    Jon Stewart is not that funny IMO.
    He became too predictable. Bill Maher sometimes surprises with the stance he takes.

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    He's been doing it for a long time and some of the 'stupid' in congress has simply been repeated so many times that anyone would start to run out of different ways to poke the jello!

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    translation: Nuh uh i don't need no freedoms! More gibs me dat!!
    Pretty much. The useful idiots keep voting against their own interests and freedom.

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    I really wish that the tea party populists would have gone after Priebus and the kingmakers and effected meaningful change in the party. Cruz, Lee, et al are now just cliche obstructionists. History is replete with them and none viewed favorably.
    The thing about the rich white guys that run the GOP, they have so many ready-made media mouthpieces. It just takes one call to the Fox "news" editorial desk, and new talking points are handed to the talking heads to parrot within the hour.

    One has to admire the effectiveness, if not the sheer cynical manipulation.

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    The thing about the rich white guys that run the GOP, they have so many ready-made media mouthpieces. It just takes one call to the Fox "news" editorial desk, and new talking points are handed to the talking heads to parrot within the hour.

    One has to admire the effectiveness, if not the sheer cynical manipulation.
    Part of the VRWC strategy, in addition to the extremist rightwingnut hate media, has been to appoint, elect extreme right wingnut judges at all levels, eg, this week's Hanen and up next, 5th circuit appeals.

    Very effective strategy to marginalise, disenfranchise voters, because VRWC hates Human-Americans other than as sources of wealth to be plundered, pillaged, raped.

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