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    saying 2012 Kawhi and Green were anything but decent roleplayers

    still comparing 2 players vs 1 player

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    Kawhi pretty much carried in 2012. Made us instant contenders. Too bad refs ed us over from an amazing season and playoffs.
    Kawhi was the big one before anyone knew he was the big one.

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    The more I think about this it is important to separate Leonard from Green. Leonard won a Finals MVP and has undoubtably been the difference makers for the Spurs. Green on the other hand is very streaky and can be as much of a handicap at times as he is a help at others. And I see his defense as above average but not all nba like Bowen and Leonard.

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    No, that doesn't make sense.
    Yes, if a guy is scoring his points when his team is down by such a large margin, doing damage when Leonard is on the bench, not drawing defensive attention like he could, able to do what he pleases, getting the entire offense ran through him with all sorts of offensive help and being guarded 1v1, those stats aren't lol.



    So what you're actually saying is a 23 year old Kawhi Leonard is a better defender than a 35 year old Bruce Bowen. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a wiener!
    Acting like Bowen completely fell off in '07 lmao, he was pretty much the same defender he always was, didn't fall off that much. He always stayed injury free, and had a limited role keeping him completely fresh his whole career. Always had strength problems because he was just 200lbs (like many SF's of the past)...

    Let's not act like a 22 year old 240lb Lebron was in his prime in '07 either, 30lbs lighter than he would be in his prime with all sorts of championship experience in '14.

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    Bowen had lost a step in quickness by 2007. In fact he was at his best back in 2003. People forget he was brought in by the Spurs to defend Kobe. Kobe had a faster first step back in the early 90's than any current player.

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    it's comical that there are still Spurs fans that don't realize that 2013 and 2014 Danny Green played at a playoffs level that has rarely been seen from a role perimeter player in the history of the league, tbh..

    A 3&D guy with a near-17 PER in the playoffs is extremely rare, let alone his elite on/off metrics and historic 65% True Shooting..

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    Bowen had lost a step in quickness by 2007. In fact he was at his best back in 2003. People forget he was brought in by the Spurs to defend Kobe. Kobe had a faster first step back in the early 90's than any current player.
    truth nuke

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    The more I think about this it is important to separate Leonard from Green. Leonard won a Finals MVP and has undoubtably been the difference makers for the Spurs. Green on the other hand is very streaky and can be as much of a handicap at times as he is a help at others. And I see his defense as above average but not all nba like Bowen and Leonard.
    cosign

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    What Bowen did to Lebron back in the 2007 finals was a thing of beauty. He shut down LBJ.
    Tony deserved his FMVP. But, imo, Bruce was a close second.

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    it's comical that there are still Spurs fans that don't realize that 2013 and 2014 Danny Green played at a playoffs level that has rarely been seen from a role perimeter player in the history of the league, tbh..

    A 3&D guy with a near-17 PER in the playoffs is extremely rare, let alone his elite on/off metrics and historic 65% True Shooting..

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    What Bowen did to Lebron back in the 2007 finals was a thing of beauty. He shut down LBJ.
    Tony deserved his FMVP. But, imo, Bruce was a close second.
    pretty much on point

    props

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    2014 Danny Green> Any Version of Bruce Bowen.

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    2014 Danny Green> Any Version of Bruce Bowen.
    I don't believe so.

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    2014 Danny Green> Any Version of Bruce Bowen.
    stupid take

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    I love Bowen but the nostalgic Spurs fans are so sensitive.

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    I love Bowen but the nostalgic Spurs fans are so sensitive.

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    Probably deserves a bit more explanation. I do agree, though, that 2014 Green was probably the worst year he had as a starter. Dude was unreal in 2012. He had tremendous moments on both ends in 2013. He was good but understanded in 2014 (though he had two great defensive series in the finals and WCF), and he's been a straight beast this season.

    I don't think you could slide any version of Bowen into any of those years' Greens and get a better result.

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    I don't think you could slide any version of Bowen into any of those years' Greens and get a better result.
    His shooting was unreal against the Heat. Could have been Finals MVP. I can't recall Bowen ever being anywhere near that impactful.

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    still comparing 2 players vs 1 player
    Should also be noted that Bowen played next to prime TD. So the comparison isn't really as simple as 2 vs 1.

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    His shooting was unreal against the Heat. Could have been Finals MVP. I can't recall Bowen ever being anywhere near that impactful.
    in 2013 he went cold at the worst time. and in 2014 he shoot way too few shots to call it unreal. .

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    Probably deserves a bit more explanation. I do agree, though, that 2014 Green was probably the worst year he had as a starter. Dude was unreal in 2012. He had tremendous moments on both ends in 2013. He was good but understanded in 2014 (though he had two great defensive series in the finals and WCF), and he's been a straight beast this season.

    I don't think you could slide any version of Bowen into any of those years' Greens and get a better result.
    disagree. he was average in 2012. Went cold at the worst time in 2013. Very very good in 2014 and efficient and he's been struggling the last 2 months of this season. Love him but he's no Bruce Bowen yet

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    ^^fans that rely on the "eye test"..

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    It's amazing how many Spurs fans still underrate Danny Green.

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    ^^ Fans that root for a spurs player injury and take leaves of absences ...

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    ^^fans that rely on the "eye test"..
    Except he's telling the truth.

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