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Seems like it has been a lot of Belinelli tbh
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Seems like it has been a lot of Belinelli tbh
Good thing we had one last season, oh wait...
Obviously the system is our go to finisher in most cases, as in if we are down 3 it won't just be give the ball to manu or something and let him get a 3 but it'll be a series of screens to get any number of players (manu, kawhi, danny, marco, patty, etc) open for a shot. However, in a scenario where there is like 5 seconds left in a tie game (meaning pop will want someone to without a doubt get the last shot with no time left) then I'm pretty sure it'll go to Manu or Tony (usually Manu). I'm confident in either's ability to create space and get a nice midrange J or get to the rim, and it really depends on who is being guarded by who and which has had the hotter shooting hand.
It's not always Manu. Most opposing teams are well aware of the fact that Manu has been our closer for over a decade now, so they're not necessarily going to let him catch the ball on a final possession. In those situations, Pop rarely draws a play "for Manu." He draws a play with multiple options, and whoever is the most open gets to take the shot. That's the new Spurs paradigm: the "closer" is whoever happens to be in the right place at the right time. Nobody gets to decide that, though - it depends on the subtle interplay between what the Spurs do and how the opposing team reacts to it. In a sense, randomness "decides" who gets the last shot. And that's the beauty of the Spurs system: it dynamically adapts, in real time, to the situation as it unfolds in order to arrive at the correct decision.
If it's a play out of a timeout, then it'll likely be a highly choreographed play for any of the big 3 or a designated shooter if we need a 3 pointer. Pop is one of the best in the business out of a timeout. In general, though, it will be Manu handling the rock and making decisions. He doesn't necessarily will be the one to finish the play, but it'll be up to him to come up with something for himself or somebody else. Obviously, if Manu is having a poor game, Pop might decide to go somewhere else, but generally speaking, Manu is his go-to playmaker when the stakes are high.
As far as the 'team game' thing, sure. You want the team to play at a high level every game, all blowouts, and you don't have to worry about this. But even last playoffs, with all the high-margin wins and all, we were in a bunch of closes games, be it against Dallas in the 1st round, OKC in the Conference Finals, or even Game 2 in the Finals.
Bad shot selection sure, but 5 seconds to get from one end to another and shoot a runner against a 7 footer and a 6-8 guy chasing you the length of the court, what do you expect. Not like he was on the line bricking uncontested foul shots. Those would be the real chokers.
Lebron choked worse and more often during the final few minutes of that game - multiple turnovers and multiple misses WITHOUT the time running down.
That video is as stupid as saying someone choked for missing a full court heave at the buzzer.
dumb
Game 3 vs Mavs. Series tied 1-1.
In another collosal brain fart moment, with the Spurs ahead by two, he tries to do Hero Ball defense and goes for a steal on the inbounds. Misses. This lets Vince Carter juke him into the paratroopers club. With Hero Manu safely flailing in the air, Vince steps back and drains the trey. Could have been a series losing trey. Thankfully we came back and won in 7.
We don't need a "Go-To" Finisher in the playoffs.....
We're winning every game by 20+ IMO.
Fools worrying about "go-to" finishers when SA's M.O. the past few years has been killing teams in waves using ball movement/riding the hot hand.
Typically what the Spurs need is someone to protect the ball and get to the FT line. In the past that was Manu late in games, when other teams were playing the quick foul game hoping to gain a point per foul. Now days It's hard to trust any of them on the FT line in crunch time. The best FT shooters aren't great ball handlers now, which is opposite of what most teams have.
One thing we know for sure, Kawhi isn't a closer, not at the line. He might become one if he ever shakes the oogie boogies at the FT line in "must hit" situations, but so far it doesn't look too good. I'd piss him off then have him shoot the FTs.
This looks like yet another interesting thread...exactly
You have synthesized the concerns I had and the reason I started this thread. I wanted to see where it would go.
1. It's clear to me that we haven't been able, for whatever reason, to work the passing game and overall team play nearly as well this year. There are times when our offense just stagnates, sometimes with passes that don't seem to have any effect or point. And so I expect to see more closely fought playoff games instead of blow outs. You very seldom see a playoff series where every game is a blowout. Thinking that our average winning margin last year means we didn't have a few close games where control of the final minutes wasn't important is too simplistic.
2. Manu is shooting FTs at the worst percentage of his entire career, dropping from the 80s to 72%. Parker doesn't seem to be in total control of his body, stumbling around, falling down, dribbling off his shoes, being stripped of the ball in the 4th quarter of games. I think his hamstring injury is still limiting his play.
3. Kwahi is obviously trying to do too much on offense at times. He's not a natural shooter and sometimes gets the jitters at the FT line at times when a made FT wins the game. The future isn't necessarily now.
4. I'm not so worried about a final shot with seconds to go. Pop is the master in the NBA at diagramming plays to get a good game-winning shot from either a first, second or third option. Most coaches simply go with a first option but Pop is clever enough to realize that opposing coaches can often figure out a first option and the way to stop it--but they then leave themselves open to the second or third. Again Manu is probably out best option for one final go-to since he can recognize and pull off the second option pass.
I'd still give it to Manu tbh
Didn't he made the basket to put us up 2 in that game?... And Vince made a contested 3 from the corner, that stuff just happens. If the Spurs don't wanna be in the position, then they need to play better. Manu and Tiago were actually the top 2 players in that series, if not for them, we're out in the 1st round again. Hopefully Manu is in his game this season again.
Manu is the most active player on the team, he's basically at RW level activity when he's on the court except he's heads and shoulders above RW in IQ and decision making. That means Manu will have a disproportionately high per minute stat rate, even if that stat is turnovers. He's not on the court to fill minutes, but to make things happen. He either makes the difference in the positive or makes it in the negative, but he makes it. Without him, you're just a momentum waiting to die.
Dude, going for a steal and failing is beyond Basketball IQ re ed when UP 2 with less then 5 seconds remaining and defending an inbounds pass.
Tell you did not just write that.
A "contested" trey
The reason Vinces' shot was mildly contested is because would-be stealer Manu was wayy out of position after flubbing on the steal.
Bro, these guys ride the short bus. I honestly am shocked daily at what they try to use to discredit MVParker.
Here's the play...Dude, going for a steal and failing is beyond Basketball IQ re ed when UP 2 with less then 5 seconds remaining and defending an inbounds pass.
Tell you did not just write that.
A "contested" trey
The reason Vinces' shot was mildly contested is because would-be stealer Manu was wayy out of position after flubbing on the steal.
He hit it with Manu all over him... it happens. You don't want to be in that situation? play better the rest of the game.
Easy. Notice how when the inbounder releases the ball Manu lunges at the ball with his left hand, arm, fark whole body. His resulting momentum carries him towards the sideline. NOT towoards Vince. Why is this important? o, the Spurs are up by two. They cannot be beaten save by a trey. Manu now gathers himself and goes up too early.Here's the play...
He hit it with Manu all over him... it happens. You don't want to be in that situation? play better the rest of the game.
Vince sensed all of this. Waits for Manu to reach the peak of his jump and then Manu descends to the floor. Its at this point, once Manu is back down on the floor, that Vince, having stepped back away from Manu, launches.
And yes Vince practices this and someone showed a link to such and other game footage when Vince has taken advantage of Paratroopers Club joiners.
Manu was not "all over Vince".
Describe to me where Manu is when Vince releases the ball.
To the contrary, when the ball was inbounds Manu should have been "all over" Vince and not gone for the stupid steal attempt.
Vince would have been much more contested.
The best view is the final one where the camera is at the Spurs end of the court. IIRC the game had even better angles that this YouTube does not show.
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This is hindsight speaking, Fabbs. Manu challenged the shot, he was as close as he could possibly be without fouling (now THAT is something you don't want to do in that situation), and Vince made a of a shot. Manu can't be jumping towards Vince without fouling him. That's not what you want. Heck, Vince even double-clutches before taking the shot, because Manu was all over him. That's why posting the video is worth more than words.
But since this is a thread about go-to finisher... didn't he made the basket to put us up 2 in that game, Fabbs? I never got a response to this...
But it's not hindsight. Basketball 101 is when you are up by 2, with (what was it 1.8 seconds left?), you cannot be beaten by a two.
Tell me where Manu is when Vince releases the ball. There is your answer. Manu has both feet on the floor, because he just landed.
You are refusing to acknowledge this.
He is no where close to being "all over" Vince. It was and is a stupid gamble on Manus part, hardly his 1st. For farks sake he had just given what most feel is a Championship in 2006 and then a sure Championship in 2013 thanks to his stupid continual turnovers and Coach Brain Deads end of game strategies. Not a student of the game. Not one who watches tape of his own f ups and makes adjustments. Many many a great play? Absolutely. Many many. we are talking about this one in closure status as the OP asks.
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