well this is a loss for the warmongering thugs here in america
thanks, obama
Bibi really wants US $Bs and bodies to go to war with Iran
Netanyahu: Israeli Cabinet United In Opposition To Iran Nuclear Deal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...ushpmg00000003
Well, yeah, most of the cabinet is Bibi's extreme rightwingnut Likud
Goddam, you Repugs are ing insane
McCain Suggests Israel "Go Rogue," Blow Up Iran Negotiations By Starting War
McCAIN: The Israelis will need to chart their own path of resistance.
On the Iranian nuclear deal, they may have to go rogue.
Let's hope their warnings have not been mere bluffs.
Israel survived its first 19 years without meaningful U.S. patronage.
For now, all it has to do is get through the next 22, admittedly long, months.
http://www.alternet.org/mccain-sugge...s-starting-war
so McLiar hopes Israel bombs Iran. Thanks, Repugs!
get through "22 months" then a Repug Pres will bomb Iran? WTF?
Last edited by boutons_deux; 04-03-2015 at 10:25 AM.
A huge positive overlooked is the underlying progressive force that exists in this country. It is large and has a western tinge. The middle class in this country understands the importance of freedom from the whims of various local religious extremists. Economic prosperity could be a huge factor in causing an evolution of the political/religious system. It is already tilting.
Patience. This could become a country more along the lines of Turkey and without a dictator. Got to give this a chance. There is also a significant intellectual movement that the extremists factions have left alone. This indicates it would be politically unwise to mess with the intellectuals. This is very significant imo.
I guess I'm the only one that remembers that most of the current sanctions on Iran are there because Iran wouldn't comply with the LAST agreements and refused access of the IAEA to verify it's compliance.
And?
There are clear consequences if they fall to comply again.
It's not like the US and others can't reinstate sanctions.
Besides, you're just moving the goalposts now. ANY agreement would require verification. You are now arguing against any agreement at all.
One thing of note was that Iran broadcast Obama's statement live on state TV. I believe that is without precedent.
Not arguing against it. Just pointing out that compliance has always been the issue. Leaving all the enriched uranium in country instead of shipping it to Russia as original agreed leaves a huge fudge area.
I realize, however that I seem to be the only one in here that has reservations on the Iranians sincerity to actually comply THIS time after all the other times they didn't.
If they don't comply things go back to where they are now.
What exactly are you arguing here?
"reservations on the Iranians sincerity to actually comply THIS time"
I figure the Repugs will bomb Iran for "regime change" even if Iran allows Western inspectors to climb up their assholes, just like the Repugs did to Saddam to get at his oil.
Iran knows how the US ambassador told Saddam the US woudn't mind if he invaded Kuwait. And how the Repugs pulled inspectors out of compliant Iraq to invade it.
So WTF should Iran trust the West?
Leaving the nuke material in Iran was critical to Iran, having spent probably $10Bs to produce it for their reactors.
As I said above, both Israeli and US intelligence say Iran has no nuclear weapons program.
People are surprised at how much the West obtained so far, not how little, and the negotiations aren't over until 1 July.
btw, Iran's theocracy is a direct descendant of the CIA/UK overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh in the early 50s to install the Shah. Iran's hostility to the West is BLOWBACK for US/UK intervention in their country.
True. If Iran had overthrown the Eisenhower administration to install a dictator, we as a nation would probably remember it, no?
Netanyahu and his group of thugs in the US congress that do the bidding for Israel won't let this agreement work...they won't give it time to work....they will not settle for anything less than Invading Iran with US air power and troops and regime change....right now, McCain, Cotton and the rest of thugs are hoping Israel bombs Iran and then the US has no choice but intervene...
Crude-oil prices fell Thursday after six world powers and Iran announced they had agreed on a framework to curb Iran’s nuclear drive.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/o...ework-reached/The US benchmark, West Texas Intermediate (WTI) for May delivery, shed 95 cents to close at $49.14 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Brent North Sea crude for delivery in May, the global benchmark futures contract, slumped to $54.98 in late London trade, a sharp decline of $2.12 from Wednesday’s closing level.
The market has been following the marathon negotiations closely, estimating that an agreement could lift sanctions against Iran, allowing the return of Iranian crude to an oversupplied global market.
-snip-
Tehran could raise output by around 500,000 bpd within six months if the restrictions are removed, and by an additional 700,000 bpd within another year, according to estimates by Facts Global Energy.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102547249
IRan supposedly have 300M+ barrels in storage, ready to dump on the world for $Bs ASAP.
The combination of full domestic storage facilities and the addition of Iranian crude could easily put WTI in the 30's and they will have to start closing in wells in Texas because of the combination of low prices and lack of storage. Once that happens the natural gas byproduct of oil production will stop too and NG prices (and your CPS utility bills) will rise.
So we shouldn't have an agreement because your utility bill will rise a few dollars?
off Chump. I didn't say that and you know it. You are just being your usual self.
Your spin on this deal is hilarious. Well I've seen some of your economic predictions fail before.
The Iranian leadership also still has to convince their radical elements to back off just like we do.
As always, the extreme elements on both sides will have to be overcome, it may even be a taller order for them.
Funny how the most distrustful hateful elements on both sides really work together. If Israel tries unilaterally to submarine this, our relationship must undergo a meaningful reassessment. When Y. Rabin was assassinated by an ultra Israeli right winger the radical Muslims breathed a sigh of relief, the hate they thrive on, would continue.
Let's say the asshole Repugs all y'all ignorant rednecks elected kill the Iranian deal.
What next?
At least I have the balls to make predictions based on the facts available.
All you do is ankle bite.
Eh, I make fun of people who think they can make such predictions.
Having balls would be admitting just how wrong those predictions have been.
Conservatives Trash Iran Deal Framework That Experts Call "A Very Convincing Agreement"
( has a list quote from the expert "pros" and and from the conservative "assholes" )
http://mediamatters.org/research/201...that-ex/203169
It is pointless to argue over whether the agreement is good or not as we have no clue what was agreed upon.
Says the forum eunuch.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
