The ST double standard ...

[dabom]

His place is bent over with me beatin the outta of his rear end with a paddle.
This kid is like 12 years old.

That's some sexual fantasy you got there got.

[K...]

What's the going rate for adult daycare? Does it go up if the kid has behavioral problems?

[pgardn]

That's some sexual fantasy you got there got.

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

[RD2191]

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

Lmao, gay as . Are you 60?

[dabom]

You need a good wuppin, that's all son.

If you think that's sexual we will have to inform your mom.

That's what gots like to tell people.

[dabom]

Like usual. We talking basketball then deflectors come in here and start deflecting. Typical really.

[dabom]

Guys don't start backpedaling now.

[DMC]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

[pgardn]

That's what gots like to tell people.

Son, does you school counselor need a new folder for your portfolio?

[FkLA]

I've been worried about and critical of TP before (he proved me wrong before) - it's a legit issue. I just don't agree he was so big of a problem this game compared to others that he should be allocated the majority of the blame. It really was crappy from most players.

Keep in mind, in that dominant stretch, teams weren't really game planning against Kawhi. You didn't see the hard doubles like we saw last night. That's what is different in doing something not only regular season compared to playoffs, but stretches vs always having the offense run through you.

I agree, Spurs could do more there, but it looks like they tried but the Clips game plan was to limit that option and Spurs couldn't adjust by moving Kawhi around the floor.

Post ups were called for him pretty sporadically. Also off the top of my head he was able to split the double team and score (Jordan goaltend), find Timmy on an assist, and move the ball out of the double team a couple of times. The double absolutely shook him on the plays where he turned it over but that's way too small of a sample size to warrant going away from him.

Also, you are doing a bit of correlation vs causation IMO. The point of that post was to show two things: That in today's NBA, the best ball handler traditionally means they are the best player/offensive engine and the even with that, TP's usgage rate is like 50th in the NBA.

Other teams didn't go on that run because they are no where near as good. That run also coincided with Tiago coming back and balling, TP picking his game up & many guys playing well. Kawhi shined obviously, and it would be great to see more of that, but he has limitations when it comes to running offense through him like you would a traditional superstar at this point.

TP picking his game up? Again, he's scored 10 points or less in 7 of the past 9 games. With all 7 of those games being part of the winning streak. Tiago's comeback was obviously huge for the defense but I'd hardly call him a difference maker on offense. Plus he missed the last 5 games of the streak.

Kawhi doesn't need to be a traditional superstar but he needs to be the first individual option for the team. First overall option is team ball, after that it needs to be Kawhi. I also disagree about him not seeing double teams during that stretch, he did see them although they weren't as aggressive and weren't by a guy as intimidating as Jordan.

[dabom]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

Aside from our differences I agree with this.

[dabom]

Post ups were called for him pretty sporadically. Also off the top of my head he was able to split the double team and score (Jordan goaltend), find Timmy on an assist, and move the ball out of the double team a couple of times. The double absolutely shook him on the plays where he turned it over but that's way too small of a sample size to warrant going away from him.



TP picking his game up? Again, he's scored 10 points or less in 7 of the past 9 games. All 7 of which were part of the winning streak. Tiago's comeback was obviously huge for the defense but I'd hardly call him a difference maker on offense. Plus he missed the last 5 games of the winning streak.

We beat some of the best teams in the league with Tiago not playing. Warriors, rockets and some other teams.

[pgardn]

Aside from our differences I agree with this.

Too bad for any poster who might have a good point.

[dabom]

Too bad for any poster who might have a good point.

You keep derailing the thread. Keep going.

[RD2191]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

DMC bringing the heat.

[pgardn]

All you need is the coffin for this .

Sure thing son.

Get to bed.

[FkLA]

I'm a fan of what Tony has done for the Spurs but you have to admit that his effectiveness rests on his ability to get to the rim over and over and collapse the defense. These days he barely hits the paint, seems to prefer that pull up jumper, and seems to think it's most important that his shot be dialed in, ignoring everyone else.

Unlike the rest of the squad, Tony's game hasn't evolved as he's aged and as the Spurs have acquired new talent. Parker plays around the talent, not with them. You see him out there and it's like he's intentionally ignoring everyone else on the floor most of the time, except Timmy or Manu. That's not evolving, that's not teamwork, that's hero ball and clique thinking.

Just when I thought you had lost your touch. Great post.

[romain.star]

people on ST might not be aware of it but there is absolutely no legal obligation to be an immature, insulting liar to hate on Parker

[DPG21920]

Can anyone pull TP's shot chart from last night? I would be interested to see how many shots came in the paint vs outside the paint (assuming majority, but still want to see). On my iPad and NBA.com won't seem to let me pull shot chart on my iPad.

TP does rely on collapsing defenses, but it's not just getting all the way to the rim - it's about getting into the paint. He missed a couple of good looks in the paint last night (not talking all season here, just last night). I'm not sure how much that hammy set him back. He looks really bad when injured or hobbled for whatever reason. I think what we saw this year had a lot to do with that too - more than we want to give credit to. Doesn't change the result though.

[DPG21920]

Even when you expand your gaze to the entire season vs last night, TP has still been awful this season. Whether it's injury (I think that has a lot to do with it) or not, the results have been really bad. However, on the same note, Kawhi's role has massively expanded. I don't know what more you can want. He's not a traditional type of "best player". He's the best player because he's amazing on defense and made great strides on offense. He has a lot of flaws for an offensive player with regards to running offense through him consistently at this point, but he's made great strides and the team has forced the issue as much as you think I can.

I agree in moments, TP has tried to get going, but I don't think it's excessive like how Westbrook does things. He still keeps moving and has always been a great hockey assister. He's fallen in love with the jumper because of the lack of burst, but he also worked on his 3PT shot and expanded that some. He ignores more than others so it stands out, but again, I don't think it's malicious.

[dabom]

2014-15 PLAYOFFS SHOOTING STATS

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			Less than 5ft.			5-9 ft.			10-14 ft.			15-19 ft.			20-24 ft.			25-29 ft.
Player	TEAM	AGE	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%	FGM	FGA	FG%
Terrence Ross	TOR	24	0.0	1.0	0.0	1.0	1.0	100	1.0	1.0	100	1.0	2.0	50.0	0.0	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0	0.0
Thaddeus Young	BKN	26	6.0	11.0	54.5	1.0	3.0	33.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0	0.0	0.0	1.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Tiago Splitter	SAS	30	2.0	5.0	40.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Tim Duncan	SAS	38	2.0	4.0	50.0	2.0	4.0	50.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	2.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Tim Frazier	POR	24	0.0	1.0	0.0	-	-	-	0.0	0.0	0.0	-	-	-	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Timofey Mozgov	CLE	28	1.0	4.0	25.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Tony Allen	MEM	33	2.0	3.0	66.7	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
Tony Parker	SAS	32	1.0	1.0	100	1.0	4.0	25.0	0.0	1.0	0.0	1.0	2.0	50.0	1.0	3.0	33.3	0.0	0.0	0.0

[ElNono]

Can anyone pull TP's shot chart from last night? I would be interested to see how many shots came in the paint vs outside the paint (assuming majority, but still want to see). On my iPad and NBA.com won't seem to let me pull shot chart on my iPad.

TP does rely on collapsing defenses, but it's not just getting all the way to the rim - it's about getting into the paint. He missed a couple of good looks in the paint last night (not talking all season here, just last night). I'm not sure how much that hammy set him back. He looks really bad when injured or hobbled for whatever reason. I think what we saw this year had a lot to do with that too - more than we want to give credit to. Doesn't change the result though.

[DPG21920]

So it looks like 6-11 shots for TP came within the paint last night. I think that is pretty reasonable and matches the eyeball test. He got into the paint, but with spacing being an issue and him missing some easier shots (been an issue this year) it made it look worse than it was.

He didn't play good and has been awful this year, but last night, I don't have a problem with his shot selection is what I am saying. I have a problem with how he handled getting pressed at the point of attack and his decision making (along with Manu too). It was either a solid look in the paint/open look or a really bumbled possession - not a lot of in between last night from the offense from what I saw.

[DPG21920]

Thanks - got to good spots in the paint. Over half the shots. Many were open too. Also got some good open shots for others from that. Need more of that, especially if DJ is going to pull out on him when he's initiating the offense. Get by him, take care of the ball and hit shooters and his shots.

[dabom]

Tony doesn't play good vs 7footers too. His whole career for some reason.