It's ok to hate Tony Parker

[loveforthegame]

Double standard.

[mkurts]

Porky just needs to handle the ball, some back cuts, nothing fancy, pass the ing ball to open guys and not shoot long jumpers of death

[pgardn]

Who was running point when the Spurs closed out Portland and OKC? Who was running point when the Spurs broke open the Finals? I get your point, but I also feel it's been debunked as well. An injured Parker isn't better than Mills or Joseph. That's the only thing that matters to this discussion.

So you are saying Mills and or Joseph can get us 6?
I think you are dead wrong and hope I am dead wrong.

Tony was the PG against every team we beat in the playoffs. He did what he needed to do.

[pgardn]

Don't wanna pile on, but he was actually pretty darn bad against Dallas until Game 7, especially defensively. I mean, if he's at the top of his game, that series probably doesn't go 7 games.

But that's the thing, if he's hurt, speak up, don't try to warrior it. I understand if he tried to warrior it when he was 25, but at this stage, it's clear that him playing hurt really affects his game.

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys. Bottom line is I like seeing my Spurs win and he's ing that up, so if anything I'm the ultimate team fan.

You are not going to take aging well.

[Johnny RIngo]

Tony Parker is anything but soft. Have you seen the way that guy plays? He gets the living beat out of him on every play because he'll fearlessly attack a guy 70lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than him. He clearly doesn't have his legs and can't beat his man off the dribble like he's been able to in the past. Something is definitely wrong and he can't produce.

Yes, it's called playoff ball.

[Johnny RIngo]

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

Manu and Tiago were our best players against Dallas. Parker was pretty bad in that series.

[ElNono]

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

There's no way to know that. What we do know for a fact is that Patty has stepped up and given us great play whenever we needed it on every series since round 2 last playoffs, including tonight.

I will always take a healthy Tony over Patty, but Tony right now is too hurt. I don't know if we win 6 with either (hurt Tony or healthy Patty), but I'll take my chances with the healthy guy.

[pgardn]

There's no way to know that. What we do know for a fact is that Patty has stepped up and given us great play whenever we needed it on every series since round 2 last playoffs, including tonight.

I will always take a healthy Tony over Patty, but Tony right now is too hurt. I don't know if we win 6 with either (hurt Tony or healthy Patty), but I'll take my chances with the healthy guy.

Yep.
I realize that.

Tis an opinion that I feel strongly about.

To me Patty is a straight line guard, he is not shifty. I don't think he is a PG. Patty has much greater range than Parker or Joseph and is clearly a scorer. My opinion is we can't win without Tony. I don't see the Mills/Joseph duo getting it done. If we could fuse them into one player that was physical on D (Joseph) was a scorer (Patty) and could run the team by being somewhat shifty (Joseph), we would have a chance.

Again, I hope I am totally wrong because I want this so bad for Tim.

[ElNono]

Yep.
I realize that.

Tis an opinion that I feel strongly about.

To me Patty is a straight line guard, he is not shifty. I don't think he is a PG. Patty has much greater range than Parker or Joseph and is clearly a scorer. My opinion is we can't win without Tony. I don't see the Mills/Joseph duo getting it done. If we could fuse them into one player that was physical on D (Joseph) was a scorer (Patty) and could run the team by being somewhat shifty (Joseph), we would have a chance.

Again, I hope I am totally wrong because I want this so bad for Tim.

He's an SG. That's why when Manu fouled out, I thought we were in trouble, but hey you gotta credit Patty here. He also ran the team damn well in that closeout game against Portland last season.

Ultimately, the Spurs offense is really choreographed. We'll be more predictable just executing, but if he can do that, he's at least fast, can shoot and spread the floor.

[Matty2Cool]

At this point in anyone's tenure as a Spurs fan, I find it hard to believe a person would feel the need to *hate* any individual Spurs player, particularly one who has already been a significant contributor to multiple Championships. But some people just have miserable lives I guess.

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

[FkLA]

I don't get why this dude pgardn acts like the offense is PG reliant or like Enrique is prime Nash/Stockton tbh.

Yeah he's still the best ballhandler on the team but it's not like he uses that to do more than dribble dribble dribble or play a two man game with Timmy.

[FkLA]

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

[HI-FI]

yeah that sig stole the show.

[ElNono]

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

Sara Jean Underwood
Playmate of the Year 2007

[100%duncan]

Chinook destroyed people in this thread.

[100%duncan]

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

Holy that signature

[Matty2Cool]

I think Parker is having more "mental" issues than actual physical injuries. Could all be in his head but right now we need guys who are performing aka mills

[Matty2Cool]

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

Sara Underwood...no porn tho

[Johnny RIngo]

RIP Tony Parker

Hate seeing him struggle like this. He needs to take the summer off(no France bull ) and figure things out. He's still owed 45 mil over three years. He's going to be here for a while but his game isn't aging well. Get in better shape(maybe ask Tim and Manu for advice on their diet), work on his shooting, learn to play offball. I dunno.

[Nathan89]

RIP Tony Parker

Hate seeing him struggle like this. He needs to take the summer off(no France bull ) and figure things out. He's still owed 45 mil over three years. He's going to be here for a while but his game isn't aging well. Get in better shape(maybe ask Tim and Manu for advice on their diet), work on his shooting, learn to play offball. I dunno.

[Diego20]

You think we can go to the Finals without him?
I don't.

wat?

Look Spurs last playoffs..

[pgardn]

I don't get why this dude pgardn acts like the offense is PG reliant or like Enrique is prime Nash/Stockton tbh.

Yeah he's still the best ballhandler on the team but it's not like he uses that to do more than dribble dribble dribble or play a two man game with Timmy.

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

[pgardn]

wat?

Look Spurs last playoffs..

Yes.

Parker was our PG.

So since you disagree, tell me who played PG game after game series after series?

[Expert]

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

This is true when Tony was in his prime. Right now Tony can't hit a short range jumper, but he doesn't have a go to move, a plan b, to compensate for his inability to penetrate and score. No one cares if Tony penetrates if cannot score. Spurs need to have meaningful shot clock movement, not 18 seconds of Tony dribbling around until he finally dumps off to Tim.

The Spurs aren't the same as they were several years ago, but they are about the same as they were last year. Tony wasn't very important in the playoffs last year, and not really in the Finals either except that last 5 minutes when he had to get his.