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    He didn't really guard anyone for the most part. Plus, last time I checked, the Medium Three played (though Splitter was at like 50 percent). Tim sure was awful defensively for most of the the championship run, though. Dallas straight destroyed him over and over.
    Oh boy...more opinion passed as fact.

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    Not because he's irreplaceable, but how long do you think this Duncan window is gonna stay open? Will take some time to find someone that's gonna come in and play the same role as Danny on both ends.
    I get that. But paying him $10 million isn't worth it, no matter what. And this is what makes him replaceable.

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    From his Draft Express profile, written two days ago...
    Not to belabor this, but I just don't see this guy as an athlete.


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    Not to belabor this, but I just don't see this guy as an athlete.

    To belabor it, his lane agility, shuttle run and 3/4 sprint times were either the best or among the best for his position at the combine.

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    To belabor it, his lane agility, shuttle run and 3/4 sprint times were either the best or among the best for his position at the combine.
    To belabor it more, time will tell.

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    To belabor it more, time will tell.

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    Wow didn't say all that. I think draymond, bogut, and iggy are very good defenders. But come on with curry, thompson, and Barnes.

    It's funny how done here make more of what is written. So many looking to get offended our think they know it all.
    Of all the players you named, only Curry is sub-standard. Thompson is VERY good.

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    Oh boy...more opinion passed as fact.
    Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.

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    Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.
    I like how palangi acts like he schooled you after you tore him a new asshole.

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    Of all the players you named, only Curry is sub-standard. Thompson is VERY good.
    False.

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    I like how palangi acts like he schooled you after you tore him a new asshole.
    Oh how cute. Now you can get your lips off his .

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    Yeah, no. Nothing I said was my opinion at this point, you're acting like a sore loser. You're sitting in the middle of the field bawling your eyes out because the other kids wouldn't let you win. It's petulant. Pick yourself up, bro.
    Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.

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    Oh how cute. Now you can get your lips off his .
    Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.
    Lmao. You know you're getting on when all you have left is personal attacks. Don't be mad because your basketball takes are . Shved crofl.

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    Not crying at all. I just find it funny you think your opinion is fact. You have a very good opinion, but it is still opinion. Even if your girlfriend robdiaz wants to blow you for it.
    Yes, you're crying, and it's completely absurd. It's an opinion that Green and Splitter are good defenders; it's a FACT that they put up elite defensive numbers. It's also a fact that Green hasn't performed poorly since leaving the Spurs. This issue is that you sound like a fool for not knowing the difference between fact and opinion and exposing that foolishness in this thread. You gave opinions, with which no one agrees and which you have NOT even tried to support. Your whole argument is that anything I say is as good as what you say because they're both opinions. But that's silly, because I actually supported my opinions with facts and analysis. You can totally do that instead of continuing to act petulant if you want. I'll totally be willing to engage you.

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    Here are the names I'm seeing most associated with the Spurs, via personal work outs & mocks:

    NCAA's

    1. Rashad Vaughn, SG UNLV
    2. Montrezl Harrell, PF Louisville
    3. Justin Anderson, SF UVA
    4. Delon Wright, PG Utah
    5. Anthony Brown, SF Stanford
    6. J.P. Tokoto, UNC
    7. Rakeem Christmas, PF Syracuse
    8. Jordan Mickey, PF LSU

    Euro's

    1. Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez, C
    2. Cedi Osman, SF
    3. Nikola Radicevic, PG
    4. Janis Berzins, SF
    Add Nikola Milutinovic to this list. He's surgin a bit right now up draft boards. Doesn't turn 21 until December 30th. He's a 7'0, 220 lb C from Serbia. Decent athlete w/ 7'3 wingspan. Runs the floor well. I'm intrigued. Most likely a draft-and-stash though.






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    Again, just too many good big-man prospects to not get one. Just too damned many.

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    Lmao. You know you're getting on when all you have left is personal attacks. Don't be mad because your basketball takes are . Shved crofl.
    No I just thought you were acting so cute.

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    Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?
    Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

    They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.

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    Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

    They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.
    Splitter is not propping Tim up, but he is allowing Tim to play to his strengths. A smart team can do a lot of damage to the Spurs by isolating on Duncan using PnR switches. Tim's a legend and perhaps the smartest defender ever. So every once in a while, he makes a great play on the move. (That block on Harden for example.) But more often, he'll get exploited if he has to come out above the FT line. Would the Spurs be fine defensively without Splitter? Yes. They would drop a little and would have less defensive upside, but they'd manage. Would they be fine losing Splitter AND Green? no.

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    Splitter is a very good all around defender, but the notion that he's propping up Duncan, is ridiculous. Part of the reason why he appears so indispensable, is because of the lack of another big that's anything better than adequate defensively. Give this team Aldridge, who fits the mold (not the all around defender Splitter is, but a decent one) and a decent backup center and I'm confident they'd remain among the elite.

    They were for the first few months without Splitter. Sure, the sample size wasn't huge, but it wasn't small either. Griffin destroyed them, but he's also the 2nd best PF in the game.
    Splitter is the reason Memphis isn't ting all over us anymore. He does work on most big men in the league. He is absolutely needed with all the talented big men out west. Gasol/zbo, dirk, lma, davis, Griffin, and Dwight, cousins are all very talented big men. Duncan is a good defender but he's old and slow. Splitter is criminally underrated around here.

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    Splitter is not propping Tim up, but he is allowing Tim to play to his strengths. A smart team can do a lot of damage to the Spurs by isolating on Duncan using PnR switches. Tim's a legend and perhaps the smartest defender ever. So every once in a while, he makes a great play on the move. (That block on Harden for example.) But more often, he'll get exploited if he has to come out above the FT line. Would the Spurs be fine defensively without Splitter? Yes. They would drop a little and would have less defensive upside, but they'd manage. Would they be fine losing Splitter AND Green? no.
    It goes both ways though and Duncan's role defensively wouldn't change without Splitter. They don't even play that much together anyway. Either way, Duncan will be defending centers almost exclusively. If a team wants to "pick on him" by repeatedly running PnR with his man, they can do that even with Splitter around.

    Obviously they wouldn't be fine if they lost both Splitter and Green.


    Splitter is the reason Memphis isn't ting all over us anymore. He does work on most big men in the league. He is absolutely needed with all the talented big men out west. Gasol/zbo, dirk, lma, davis, Griffin, and Dwight, cousins are all very talented big men. Duncan is a good defender but he's old and slow. Splitter is criminally underrated around here.
    He's one of them, but he's not the reason. There is no specific reason, it's a combination and what it adds up to is this: The Spurs being flat out better.

    Many would have been an upgrade over an on the verge of retirement McDyess, Bonner and Blair. If they didn't have Splitter, they'd have another starting big at a similar salary. They probably wouldn't be as good defensively as him, but it's not like it would be Baynes or Bonner taking his place.

    Splitter is underrated by the idiot posters, but overrated by the intelligent ones.

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    That's why I said "something of a Diaw replacement". Play making PF's are rare, so it's not going to be easy to replace that aspect of Diaw's game. Other than that though, he should be able to fill a similar role. In the interim, he'd almost certainly spell the end of Bonner's tenure, unless they signed Aldridge and traded Diaw instead of Splitter.

    They're not going to trade Splitter for the sake of it; this is not a re-build. Trading him at the draft would be both unnecessary and beyond stupid because if they miss on Aldridge, they'll have created a massive hole, with no clear way of filling it.
    If Atlanta is interested in Splitter for #15, I'm pulling the trigger and taking Bobby Portis. He has the size to play center in the modern NBA, high motor on both ends, decent shooter, good BBIQ. That puts us in a position to get a big time free agent and even if we strike out we've drafted a guy who I think is going to be a really good rotation player in the league. He actually reminds me of Splitter a bit with his strengths and weaknesses.

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    If Atlanta is interested in Splitter for #15, I'm pulling the trigger and taking Bobby Portis. He has the size to play center in the modern NBA, high motor on both ends, decent shooter, good BBIQ. That puts us in a position to get a big time free agent and even if we strike out we've drafted a guy who I think is going to be a really good rotation player in the league. He actually reminds me of Splitter a bit with his strengths and weaknesses.
    I'm not, because if they miss on Aldridge, I'd rather keep Splitter and try one final time to win another championship.

    Not just Portis, but no one who's going to be available at 15, has a high enough upside to risk that chance for.

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    I'm not, because if they miss on Aldridge, I'd rather keep Splitter and try one final time to win another championship.

    Not just Portis, but no one who's going to be available at 15, has a high enough upside to risk that chance for.
    I disagree, I think it's worth the risk. Splitter isn't unreplaceable in his role on our team. There are a bunch of guys we would play a smaller role overall but could replace what Splitter does defensively in the playoffs. Someone like Chandler, Robin Lopez, Koufos or Asik could come in and fill that role adequately if we have to face a team like the Grizzlies.

    Splitter is very much a situational player come playoff time. Against the projected best teams next year, the Cavaliers, Thunder and Warriors, Splitter will play a limited role and I think we can beat the Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies or Houston with any of the guys I listed.

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    I disagree, I think it's worth the risk. Splitter isn't unreplaceable in his role on our team. There are a bunch of guys we would play a smaller role overall but could replace what Splitter does defensively in the playoffs. Someone like Chandler, Robin Lopez, Koufos or Asik could come in and fill that role adequately if we have to face a team like the Grizzlies.

    Splitter is very much a situational player come playoff time. Against the projected best teams next year, the Cavaliers, Thunder and Warriors, Splitter will play a limited role and I think we can beat the Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies or Houston with any of the guys I listed.
    If they trade Splitter for Portis, they're no longer contenders. All for a guy who projects as a decent, jack of all trades, master of none type third big (think Jason Thompson). He might be the better player in 3 years, but by then they'll be a run of the mill team that could draft or sign a player of his caliber.

    None of the four players you named can guard power forwards, so they couldn't play next to Duncan much. Three are also overqualified to only back him up and doing so would mean they'd need Portis to be an immediate 20 mpg player on a contender.

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