You're quite full of unknowns for someone whos adamant that Verde is replaceable. I'd hoped you at least had an idea of what that replacement looks like.
Even if your 'product of the system' theory is true, how long did it take Green to become Green once he got here? It takes at least a year to adjust to this system. That's a well known fact. We don't have the luxury of time to develop an unknown.
How many Championships did the Spurs win with Danny Green playing SG? Was it any coincidence that Kawhi Leonard was the starting SF when he got his one and only ring? And to your earlier statement about Green shutting down Paul and Ellis....well, let me put in writing again for you to look at.
When Green was allowed to guard Paul and Ellis, he shut them down.
Do you want to take that back?
Green was just as essential in the le run. Why do people go all out in discrediting players to fit their argument? You just sound like a bitter Danny Green hater right now.
Yes, he did. Paul had a tough time scoring whenever Green had to guard him. I'm not good at drawing up analytics (Chinook is much better), but I watched the game and Green gave Paul fits whenever he guarded him. Same with Ellis. Pop just ed around too much in the Clippers series with Green (it didn't help that Green's 3 point shot was costing his playing time).
Honestly, did you even watch a second of his play in Cleveland?
Yes. The times he could get off the bench.
Green's started only a handful of games without Leonard. Kawhi's started virtually no games without Green. It's pointless trying to separate their impact on the team. They've won their only ring together. It's completely possible they'll win more rings together and that they'll never win a ring apart. None of that will have an bearing on whether one or the other is a good player.
Then how was he a different player? Because in college, he was pretty much the same player he is now, except his team's fans appreciated him. In the d-league, he did a lot more than he does now, including being a pretty consistent player above the rim.
Not to mention, the player replacing him better know how to defend PGs and be an elite 3 point shooter. Otherwise, Leonard will carry all the defensive load (even moreso since Splitter is likely gone) and will be a less effective offensive player because of it. Some people just don't realize how much DG compliments him well.
Both Parker and Duncan were All-Stars in 2009. Bogans had plenty of minutes at the 3 with Finley at the 2.
The D league?
That's your proof?
Him and Parker when Tony's on. In 2013, those guys had like a psychic link. Tony always knew where Danny was going to be when he had to kick the ball out.
Yep and I remember DG playing the best ball of his career when Leonard was out and he was still playing great defense as well. Some people just like to discredit others to fit their arguments. It's pointless to compare the two. Both compliment each other perfectly and we can only hope we get more seasons of them together.
You have no proof that you even saw him with the Cavs. I cited his college career where he was a glue guy for a championship team. Then he goes to a dysfunctional organization for a year, dominates in the d-league, arrives in SA where he gets on Pop's bad side, commits to showing Pop he can fit with the Spurs' culture, wrests the starting SG job from a first-rounder and a guy who'd already been in the system for a year and never looks back.
Being an All-Star means nothing. Watching Tim then, it would be hard to believe he'd still be an All-Star --caliber player now. Parker was obviously in him prime. No argument there. Manu was coming off an injury by probably had his last truly great season in 09-10. Bogans might have seen some minutes at the three, but Jefferson was a fixture at the three.
So is his 27% 3 point shooting in Cleveland the same?
Or maybe it is his 38% FG?
His 2 ppg?
Come on. The SA system has greatly helped him and continues to help him. Much like Gary Neil.
Bogans wasn't on the team in 2009. They were experimenting with Bowen/Finley/Udoka/Mason that year. Udoka is another name that comes to mind. He was a scrub before the Spurs, during his time, and after. Thankfully his coaching job is better.
Green is as good as his team in some sense. He is a big time player and a top defender in the league who continues to be underrated, that's true. But if Green elects to take money and go to a substandard situation, say Orlando or Detroit who have been rumored, don't be surprised to see him fall into obscurity. Guys like Ellis for example (since he was mentioned earlier) can still thrive in bad situations (Milwaukee) due to their ability to score off the dribble, create their own shot, etc. Danny thrives in good situations (as do most players) but it's 10x more important for Danny to be on a good team with good players for him to truly be able to showcase his skills and be truly effective. I could see Detroit or someone signing Green to all that money and the fans instantly ing about why he gets paid so much because he isn't truly able to showcase his skills on a team with lesser talent.
Lol, so he shoots worse on a dysfunctional team with a terrible offense, and that's your proof that he'd struggle anywhere else? Do you really think only the Spurs get open looks for their guys? The 2012 Knicks with all of their problems managed to do it. The Thunder manage to do it. The Suns, Karl Nuggets, current Cavs, Warriors, Hawks and damned near any team with either stars or a decent coach can do it. It's not like Pop is giving Danny lessons on how to shoot that he'll forget as soon as he leaves. The dude shot 42 percent from three his senior year in college. I'm pretty sure he knows how to shoot on his own.
Yep, that's the best way to put it. Green doesn't make any sense on lottery teams that don't run an offense that allow him to thrive. However, a lot of posters seem to think that the Spurs are the only team that can do that. Put Green on Cleveland, Memphis, or Dallas and those teams are instantly better (comparing him to Gary Neal, which was done above, is ridiculous. Green is better overall player than Neal.) I also think some people don't realize how hard it will be to replace Green in the offseason. If it has to be done, it has to, but it's going to be a difficult process and possibly having to go through rejects like the Bogans/Masons/ 40 year old Finley types for a while before the Spurs are lucky enough to have a player like Green fall into their laps.
is palangi the worst poster of all time? I'm beginning to question if he really even watches basketball. Maybe he's watching another sport and thinks it's basketball?
Probably an SASdynasty troll. Chinook gives legit stats and the rebuttal is FG% and PPG.
Pls stop with the shutting down opposing PG stuff. If that was his strength, he failed miserably. Just go back and look at what Chris Paul did to the Spurs in last year's playoffs and Ellis the year before that. Damian Lillard consistently torches the Spurs too.
The Spurs F.O. have a plan to get better and it may not include Green and Splitter. Are you in favor of bringing the team back as-is or sacrificing the future of the team by missing out on an All Star caliber Free Agent? Tim will be gone soon, Parker is on the down side of his career and Manu is on fumes. At some point you have to move on. Green absolutely benefited from playing with the Big 3 and Leonard. If he gets paid big money, it wont be here.
Tiago Splitter - when healthy, has been a fantastic player for the Spurs. I don't trust his health and I don't think the Spurs F.O. does either. I'm not saying he sucks, I'm not ting on the guy at all. He just can't stay on the floor and that unpredictability is maddening.
I just don't see a scenario where the Spurs willingly get rid of both Splitter and Green (two starters). Are the Spurs hesitant to give all that money to Green, sure they are and for good reason but they need to pony up and give him a long term deal. He's proved his worth and if you have to pick between Green and Splitter you take Green every day of the week in a league where perimeter defenders are of upmost importance.
You were referring to 2009 where you said Parker and Duncan were all stars. Maybe you meant in play, instead of the all star team itself.
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