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Spurs wouldn't guarantee a full year for some guy they want in for a victory cigar. They see something in him
When you're cap restricted, you make it work. This was not a discussion about "Is KA a good player?" It was worry about the backup 3 position. Using a rookie as backup 3 almost got us second seed in the West. Parker's injuries (exacerbated by Mill's injury) and Tiago's injuries were at least as important in our downfall as Kawhi not having a better backup. On a much better team this year, it should be something we can overcome if we have to. But, moot point because there are spots on the roster and the season hasn't started. , even if the season has started there are still some options.
who gets more minutes simmons or anderson?
Exactly what I was seeing myself. Hopefully he turns out to be a steal.Much rather prefer Simmons than a vet past his time who feels en led to minutes/shots.
From the videos, I really like what I see. See some Wes Matthews in him.
Reminds me of Michael Jordan. Hopefully he has a similar career.
Matt Bonner is going to be on a sandwich binge until he gets picked up to this stacked squad.
So you're implying that Kyle was the backup 3 last year? He basically never played except in garbage time. Kawhi was backed up by Belinelli and Ginobili. Even when he was hurt and missed whole games. Kyle might have been the "backup" in name only. But in the practical sense - not even close.
Look, I'm fine with Kyle being on the team, but he needs a full season in Austin again. He basically didn't play at all last season except in blowouts and in a few specifically targeted games where major players rested. He got a few "rotation" minutes at times and failed far more often than he succeeded. Depending on him for anything concrete next year would be foolish. Especially when the team has roster spots open. The Spurs should go into the season with the anticipation that anything they get from him is simply gravy. If he exceeds expectations then awesome. But at this point a minimum wage, over the hill veteran is substantially bigger help to this team than Anderson. So I recommend they find one because Anderson hasn't shown any signs in Summer League of significant development.
its like we hit the lottery this year:
two talented power forwards who were the leaders of their respective teams: LaMarcus and DWest
a giant who can dominate inside offensively
two young guards with potential: Mccallum and Simmons
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LaMarcus, West and Marjanovic plus all the great passers of the Spurs: Manu, Boris
we are going to rape a lot of teams this year!
expect multiple blow outs
As it stands now barring injury from leopard, KA is only going to be a 10-12 minute a night guy as is. That's sugary he was last year according to your numbers. You got top think green and Manu eat some of those minutes lefty by Leonard as well.
But I don't think playing in Austin helps him anymore. He dominated that league last year. And his role there is so different from what he needs to do at the big level. In SA he is apart of the cog, in Austin he is the cog. The 10 minutes a night and practice times with the big boys does a lot more for him. And depending on his play and profession he could be useful as a small ball 4. With his ability to rebound it makes it plausible, as long as the rest of the game develops.
I agree. He's bored with the compe ion in the summer and d league and isn't playing up to his full potential. Most of that is on him but if we want to salvage him, we need to throw him out there with the big boys to sink or swim.
Perhaps the light comes on and he figures out his role and maybe he sucks. If he sucks, trade him or cut him before the buyout period or at least early enough to bring someone else in and be able to get them halfway up to speed before the playoffs.
We don't need another wasted roster spot when we have clear needs.
KA needed a lot of work on his jump shot and that is difficult to gauge in summer league because he is tasked with creating for himself and others. A lot of his shots are off the dribble. He is getting his own looks out there, it's not like he is spotting up and clanking open shots with his feet set like LJC. Maybe he is actually forcing some stuff because of the lack of talent or development from other guys playing with him. I thought he actually got guys good shots that they just missed. From better teammates those are credited as assists for Kyle. He made some daring passes to guys who have trouble catching the ball. It's possible even a Manu in this kind of environment will look like a Manu against Alba Berlin last year. People are overreacting. You do need to play with guys to get in a rhythm particularly with KA's game which is more of a team oriented game based on passing, like Bobo and this late era Manu. Bobo with bad teammates looked godawful.
I think Pop will have his regular mad scientist nights and we will see KA play. I think he will get more of a chance to play this season, but then if he shows nothing, off to Austin again. He will get a chance to compete for minutes with Simmons. Simmons is more athletic and capable of making defensive plays but we have only seen him against dleague talent. He is older and has already played a full 2 years in the d'league. You could say he won't benefit from further d'league play. It will be interesting to see how these 2 come along this year because they will get time particularly with how dominant th team May be.
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You seem really hung up about the minutes he played being garbage time. I think that's the best use for a rookie. Kawhi should play the most important, veterans fill in a few, and a few trickle down to the rookie. Not strange. We're at an obvious impasse.
I would expect the same thing this year, except his role to gradually increase. He's a young second year player. He has already exceeded CoJo's development pace according to another poster, he's gotten over the "Pop doesn't play rookies." hurdle. They seem to like him, and are filling that backup 3 "need" last for some reason. Part of it being that maybe they were worried about other things more because they have a little confidence in KA giving them 10 minutes against other teams' benches.
Leonard should get like 38 minutes a night. Green should get 34 minutes. Manu should get 20. That's 92 of 96 wing minutes. Just give the rest to small-ball and don't worry about having a consistent fourth wing. Just need someone to step up in case of injury, and the Spurs use "unproved" players in those roles all the time. Anderson and Simmons will do a fine job filling in the cracks (or Simmons will be cut and another d-leaguer will take the spot). I fully expect the Spurs to add another wing over the course of the season. It'll probably be a vet that folks here can "trust in the playoffs".
I don't think Pop will give Leonard a consistent 38 minutes a night. Its probably going to be in the 30-32 minute range, knowing how he likes to distribute minutes. Same with Green. The deeper our bench, the better, that's always how Spurs ball has been played out the past few years.
I think Leonard and Green were both told something along the lines of 'expect more minutes with your new contracts.' Maybe not 38, but probably in the 33 to 34 range. Ginobili at 20 makes sense. So we're probably looking at between 4 to 10 minutes open outside of those three players. Maybe for now the Spurs go with Kyle Anderson plus some younger free agent training camp type and between those two and Mills to handle the remaining minutes.
Of course we also have to consider that during the course of the reg season Pop will probably give players the night off from time to time.
Based on the rumors we've seen so far about Spurs' interest in vet small forwards, my guess is they ink a Prince or Rasual Butler to a minimum deal. They could always go with a young-ish swingman type with less than 2 or 3 yrs experience and then wait for mid-season waives, in addition to seeing if Anderson progresses any. Still, for those 4 to 10 minutes, if not covered by small ball or Anderson, you really need someone who will defend, rebound, run the court, and take a couple shots a night. I think here the Spurs just go with the experienced vet and leave it to Anderson to unseat them.
CoJo's development track isn't something you really want to follow if you can help it. While he was quite good last year he was also every Spurs Fan Boy's whipping boy for his first 2-3 seasons. CoJo's defense has always been NBA-worthy, but the rest of his game was terrible. I remember him looking like he was throwing a beach ball at the rim. The fact that he really turned a corner last year was awesome to see and he was a big loss when he left. But by year 2, CoJo was still basically terrible. Even as a second year player he only played 28 games (13.9 MPG) and was still nowhere near being the backup PG.
Hence, using CoJo's early Spurs experience as a measuring stick and a badge of honor isn't anything to be especially proud of. He essentially took his whole rookie deal to put it together. And thats fine. Everyone knew he was a long term project. But thats why he was never asked to be a true backup or play consistent minutes in those early years. He couldn't be trusted that early.
How do you figure that hes gotten over that hurdle? He spent the whole season in Austin basically. When the Spurs had injuries to several wings (including Kawhi Leonard) he got brought back prematurely and filled in some garbage time with incredibly mixed and inconsistent results. Even considering all of the opportunity that injury created for him to play last year he still only logged minutes in well under half of the team's games (and then only 10.8 PG). The fact that he didn't play more, even in light of all those injuries, seems to indicate that they didn't like what he was bringing (or at least they didn't trust him).
He didn't vault any hurdles with his play. Injury forced him into some limited action and he responded with incredibly suspect performances.
Besides, even Cory Joseph, in his ever-so-woeful 1st year, was able to log into 29 games and play 9.2 minutes per (pretty similar numbers to Anderson). Nobody that actually remembers that season would argue that CoJo's time on the floor was a success (except maybe his defense, which really was always pretty solid). But the team wanted to see what they had and see if he would step up. He never did that first year, and continued to be a staple at the end of the bench and Austin into his second season.
CoJo's development is therefore probably a good model for what to expect with Anderson. More time in Austin with a few limited opportunities in San Antonio. Hopefully by year 3 or 4 he starts to put it together and become a capable NBA player just like CoJo did.
With an NBA season lasting 82 games you have to be ready for unfortunate injuries. Obviously if one of the Spurs key rotation guys goes out for the season with a major injury then the season might be over. But that threat exists every season for most teams. What I'm more concerned about is a minor ankle tweak that takes Kawhi out for 2-3 weeks. If that happens is the plan to bring Kyle Anderson in to play 30 MPG and replace Kawhi in the short term? I sure hope not. The better strategy would be to have a seasoned vet that can take 15-20 minutes and then ask Kyle to cover the other 10-15 per night. I think most people agree that Kyle probably won't break the team logging a handful of minutes each game. My biggest concern is that he is in no way ready for big minutes during that injury period. And the Spurs proved last year that they didn't trust him even with players out at different times.
Simmons is a nice addition because he adds another option. But he comes with his own list of concerns right now (mostly around his total lack of NBA experience).
Bingo. You're thinking exactly the same as me on this one.
I think Anderson will be given every chance to win minutes. But he hasn't shown nearly enough to just be given those minutes based on his merits alone. Hes a huge question mark and could represent a gaping hole in their rotation. So they sign an accomplished veteran and tell Anderson to beat him out. Winner gets the small pile or available rotation minutes.
Love this signing. The kid can play defense, he can put the ball on the floor if the defense closes out on him, and he was a decent mid range and floater.
this boy is very athletic!
i wonder how he develops in the Spurs system...
He has the athleticism. He has time in our system. Now, he just needs to get up to the main club with the real team and learn. He needs to be Chip's shadow for the first year. If he can become a +40% 3pt shooter, he will definitely have a role with us.
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It's not that I'm down on the kid, but I've literally never heard of him before today. And his ears just aren't big enough for me to overlook that fact. Hope he's a good spot contributor on the big squad.
It's not that I'm down on the kid, but I've literally never heard of him before today. And his ears just aren't big enough for me to overlook that fact. Hope he's a good spot contributor on the big squad.
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it means we are so excited about the upcoming season
This is Spurstalk. You've nearly 10,000 posts on this site and joined only about 3 months after I did.
It's not that I'm down on the kid, but I've literally never heard of him before today. And his ears just aren't big enough for me to overlook that fact. Hope he's a good spot contributor on the big squad.
So let me ask, when have we NOT obsessed over an end-of-the-bench signing? I've been posting on this site nearly 10 years. I cannot seem to recall ever not doing so! Thats pretty much the whole joke behind the "Church of ______" post that we get everytime any new player is signed!
Rabid homerism and GOAT projections are essentially mandatory after donning the silver and black for the first time.
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