Liberalism in Action: Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Body Parts

[boutons_deux]

the tricksters need to show invoices, receipts, etc for the baby parts purchases.

[RandomGuy]

Comparing donating blood/plasma from an actual consenting adult, to murdering a defenseless human life and then selling off it's organs??? You just won the dumbass award of the year

My blood cannot survive outside of my body without intervention. Fetuses can't survive at all.

The analogy is not apt, but not in the way you seem to think it is.

[RandomGuy]

Has the video been discredited? I haven't watched.

Well, haven't finished reading, but my bull /trumped up outrage detector is going off. This smells like the kind of creative editing propaganda that zealots of all sorts like to indulge in.

[RandomGuy]

The undercover video was filmed in July 2014 by the Center for Medical Progress, an advocacy group that reports on medical ethics. They dispatched two actors posing as representatives of a human biologics company to a business lunch with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services.

The video shows Nucatola describing in graphic detail how abortionists are able to harvest organs from aborted babies based on the parts that are needed.

“Yesterday was the first time she said people wanted lungs,” she told the undercover buyers. “Some people want lower extremities, too, which, that’s simple. That’s easy. I don’t know what they’re doing with it, I guess if they want muscle.”

To which one of the fake buyer’s replied, “Yeah - a dime a dozen.”

“I’d say a lot of people want liver,” Nucatola said. “And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

She went on to describe how they are able to acquire other organs without “crushing” them.

“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts/

Interesting that you seem to have edited out a very important part of the URL.

h ttp://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/15/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts. html

[boutons_deux]

The Extreme And Violent Background Of The Group Consulting On The Anti-Planned Parenthood Videos




http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-group/204519

[spurraider21]

a complete and total hoax, clips taken out of context, etc, etc. Anti-choicers trying to take PP down with the same the took ACORN down.

What a ty, lazy, generic denial

[Blake]

I don't think its that insane. If a hijackers goes hijacks an airplane we send jets to shoot it down. Innocent people die. If it's for the greater good, then killing innocent being is on the table. In instance of abortion the same thing might apply as far as it being for the greater good.

Yeah, in that hijacking analogy, you're talking about doing math to save the most lives. Lose 100 to save 1000 is understandable.

In the other case of potential mental problems due to rape, you're killing 1 to save 0.

[boutons_deux]

What a ty, lazy, generic denial

wonderfully accurate, lots of people have ripped this to pieces. "Do Your Own Research" -- WC

[mingus]

Yeah, in that hijacking analogy, you're talking about doing math to save the most lives. Lose 100 to save 1000 is understandable.

In the other case of potential mental problems due to rape, you're killing 1 to save 0.

It'd be killing one to save one. It's not exactly utilitarian but because the fetus is the unfortunate and innocent antagonist it is the threat. The woman would be saved. Not from necessarily from death (although suicide is probably high among these women) but from pyschological illness, potentially and I think probably. I think allowing her to carry, and give birth and continue to live in such a state is a net negative. It doesn't neccesarily come down to numbers, but the potential a person to live happily. Having laws in place that keep that from happening would be bad idea.

[Blake]

It'd be killing one to save one. It's not exactly utilitarian but because the fetus is the unfortunate and innocent antagonist it is the threat. The woman would be saved. Not from necessarily from death (although suicide is probably high among these women) but from pyschological illness, potentially and I think probably. I think allowing her to carry, and give birth and continue to live in such a state is a net negative. It doesn't neccesarily come down to numbers, but the potential a person to live happily. Having laws in place that keep that from happening would be bad idea.

Let's say your speculation is accurate, are you also calling for the death penalty for the rapist?

To be fair to be the murdered baby and all..

[RandomGuy]

The shooting down of the plane is to prevent others from scheming the same thing.

Since we allow abortion, it continues without remorse. If we made it at least morally reprehensible, and had something like a scarlet "A", then maybe people would be less likely to put themselves in need of such services.

because that is so fool proof where it is actually done.

[mingus]

Let's say your speculation is accurate, are you also calling for the death penalty for the rapist?

To be fair to be the murdered baby and all..

My take on what I think of abortion doesn't relate to what repercussion he would get. What would happen to him is entirely different discussion of its own and consists of different factors from that of the ethics of abortion.

[Th'Pusher]

I like the way the buyer bids up the price 100% from $50 to $100. I need to get me some enact tissue these prices.

[RandomGuy]

did the poor women think that spreading their pussies and getting ed might cause a child to be born
oh what you think the govement should bail out their stupid thinking because it was the republican fault they did not train the women what causes child birth

If you like, I can show you the actually scientific studies done on the favored Republican policy, i.e. "abstinence only" and how that leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy.

I am not really ready to punish children for the mistakes of their parents. I fail to see how starving a toddler to death proves anything except that vy65 is an evil ing human being.

[RandomGuy]

Interesting that you seem to have edited out a very important part of the URL.

h ttp://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/15/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts. html

So anyway, lets start using some critical thinking and get to actual facts. Shocking thing to try, I know, but lets start sorting the ed opinion from fact.

First, watch the video in its entirety. Then read the statements that provide actual contexts to the remarks.

Both sides have an ax to grind, so it will be best to take claims and counter-claims with some fair skepticism, although in my general experience the pro-lifers have a decided tendency to lie through their teeth, as zealots often do.

[vy65]

I fail to see how starving a toddler to death proves anything except that vy65 is an evil ing human being.

[Spurminator]

Interesting that you seem to have edited out a very important part of the URL.

h ttp://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/15/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts. html

Actually it must have gotten moved, because that used to be the correct link. Guess even Fox knows it's a sham.

[Spurminator]

Since we allow abortion, it continues without remorse. If we made it at least morally reprehensible, and had something like a scarlet "A", then maybe people would be less likely to put themselves in need of such services.

You don't think you can do enough job of making it morally reprehensible on reason alone? You have to actively punish or humiliate people who do it? That's just lazy.

[RandomGuy]

Actually it must have gotten moved, because that used to be the correct link. Guess even Fox knows it's a sham.

Yeah, I would allow for that to be what probably happened. Fox's way of walking it back a bit.

[RandomGuy]

I see a lot of edits. It would be better, were you to post the entire thing, unedited. is that available?

[RandomGuy]

That's pretty much politics in general; finding reasons to stand for or against something and letting it be an excuse for anger, outrage, and unhappiness.

Well put.

[DarrinS]

I see a lot of edits. It would be better, were you to post the entire thing, unedited. is that available?

What context would make that situation right?

[RandomGuy]

http://www.centerformedicalprogress....2514_final.pdf

The law cited by the pro-lifers posting it on youtube, makes an allowance for medical research.

Profiting is illegal, but covering costs at a reasonable level is fine.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2

"(3) The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue."

From what I have seen, the discussion centered around what should be considered "reasonable", so as to stay within bounds of the law. The selective edits were also very obvious.

The pro-life center took only the parts that supported their case out, and left out the rather long segments where the PP people are talking about making sure that everything remain within ethical and legal guidelines.

Not overly surprising.

Left out:

Some anti-choice groups got the names of the board of directors for
those companies [that do medical waste disposal], and started coming to their houses, making them feel
uncomfortable, stop picking up tissue. At the houses of the directors, of a waste
management company basically, that just handles biological waste. And, I think
that’s what’s started the conversations with affiliates because they’re like: “What
am I supposed to do with this tissue?”

[RandomGuy]

Yes, and again, affiliates don’t - affiliates are not looking to make money by
doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their
bottom line. If anything, you can make it even better to their bottom line by giving
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them services in kind instead of money. I think a lot of them will take you up on
that. That would definitely get people. Say, “I’ll give it to you for the same
price, AND I’ll do that.”

[DarrinS]

RG has made a very compelling legal and economic case for selling dead baby parts.