Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Spurtacular]

(3:27 mark) Why would you hit Jimmer for an open side three when you can brick a three from four feet behind the line with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. Jimmer's had to play with these jackasses for the first four years of his career. Pop would not have put up with this sh__



Then at the 4:10 mark, ex-coach Monty takes Jimmer (95 FT%) away to have Ryan Anderson (86 FT%) shoot the technical foul. I swear Jimmer's been in these cancerous organizations.

[ceperez]

1. Why is he working out against midgets? His biggest flaw is not being able to get his shot off against taller players and he's there going one-on-one against 5-foot-5 munchkins? K.

2. His release is somehow getting slower. Chip needs to get to him ASAP. The first 90% of Jimmer's stroke is unnecessary.

I agree with your assessment, he needs to practice against taller and quicker players.

I agree also with his stroke.... it is like he's ing it back and hitting it at the top of his jump. He needs to get if off like Curry, right from the dribble! He has been in the league 4 years and has not made adjustments to his shot. Leonard made the adjustment when he came in. That's the difference between good and bad coaching.

Even his shots when he makes a tear drop, its like he wants to float like Jordan before releasing it. Extremely ineffective.

We got also all these fans out there that say he was screwed in Sacramento, Chicago and New Orleans. I can see that happening with the dysfunctional Kings but Chicago is one of the better run organizations and NO isn't also that bad. Fans need to accept reality that he's got obvious flaws in his game.

[will_spurs]

Chicago is one of the better run organizations

I'm not sure what you have to back this up. Chicago doesn't seem better run than many other organizations. Thibs was focused on defense at all costs. I wouldn't say Chicago is the best place to go to for a player to develop their offensive skills.

[cd98]

I agree with your assessment, he needs to practice against taller and quicker players.

I agree also with his stroke.... it is like he's ing it back and hitting it at the top of his jump. He needs to get if off like Curry, right from the dribble! He has been in the league 4 years and has not made adjustments to his shot. Leonard made the adjustment when he came in. That's the difference between good and bad coaching.

Even his shots when he makes a tear drop, its like he wants to float like Jordan before releasing it. Extremely ineffective.

We got also all these fans out there that say he was screwed in Sacramento, Chicago and New Orleans. I can see that happening with the dysfunctional Kings but Chicago is one of the better run organizations and NO isn't also that bad. Fans need to accept reality that he's got obvious flaws in his game.

All three teams Jimmer played for were bad fits. Sac was a selfish team that was full of me-first scorers. Chicago desperately needed a shooter, but they were not a good offensive team and also didn't have great ball movement. Rather, Chicago was about defense, and Jimmer can't play any, so he never got in the game. And the Hornets were full of Kings castaways, it was like a Kings reunion. They were only a playoff team bc of Davis.

Also, Jimmer seems to be fine at getting his shot off against guards and I've never really seen him guarded by small forwards, so I don't know how much of this is about his shooting form. He has one of the smoothest jumpers I've seen and but for one season, he's shot at a high percentage from 3 including a stretch where he was shooting 50%.

That said, his defense is horrid and he certainly is going to need to make adjustments to play for the Spurs. All the video clips show him scoring with the ball in his hands. He's not going to have the ball in his hands often with the Spurs, so he is going to have to learn to be a spot up shooter. Not that he can't, but I've seen him miss a lot in those scenarios.

[tholdren]

[QUOTE=ceperez;8141316]I agree with your assessment, he needs to practice against taller and quicker players.





Its funny how a single published video allows you all to glimpse into his training regimen.... I hope he gives SA a good look. He could fit a need: scoring, smart, pg, 3pt shooting, create his own shot. I see him more of a marco replacement tbh. Where as simmons is going to be your energy guy (manu replacement). If anything he's going to be a hard practice guy who doesn't do stupid things off the court. He's better than any of the other SL/DL Pgs the spurs have. He will be as good as Joseph was with a better outside shot.

[HarlemHeat37]

White American NBA players..so cute and adorable..

[Chinook]

Is Jimmer the NBA's Tebow? Dude's considered a high-character guy with a strong work-ethic, but like Tebow, he seems completely against or at least unable to fix his mechanical issues. Yet, he has fanboys pretending that his failures are due to him getting a bad draw instead of realizing their guy simply doesn't have an pro-level game.

If Fredette needs the Spurs to give him open looks for him to be an effective shooter, then he's no better than anyone else. Plenty of guys can hit shots when they're wide open. Personally would rather have Eddie's higher and much-quicker release if I had the choice. Chicago has a spot each year for a undersized chucking SG with little to no defensive game. Recently, that has gone to Brooks, Robinson and Augustine for example. Fredette had a chance to be in that mold but couldn't hang. Also, if he's truly bad on defense, then he's not going to make it on the Spurs either.

[Bruno]

It's just plain wrong to give as main explanation of Fredette bad NBA career his previous franchises sucking and being poorly coached.

The level difference between college and NBA is huge. I get people liking college basketball because of sentimental attachment and the excitement around march madness but the quality of basketball played is poor. A lot of what Fredette did in college doesn't work in the NBA simply because of that level gap. Spurs and Fredette must trim all the parts of his game who doesn't translate to the NBA and stick to what could work (mainly perimeter shooting).

[ceperez]

It's just plain wrong to give as main explanation of Fredette bad NBA career his previous franchises sucking and being poorly coached.

The level difference between college and NBA is huge. I get people liking college basketball because of sentimental attachment and the excitement around march madness but the quality of basketball played is poor. A lot of what Fredette did in college doesn't work in the NBA simply because of that level gap. Spurs and Fredette must trim all the parts of his game who doesn't translate to the NBA and stick to what could work (mainly perimeter shooting).

I agree. Jimmer did a lot of stuff in college, a lot of that stuff needs to be trimmed away from his game. Look at that practice video, the Spurs don't give a damn as to his ability to create. He isn't going to be creating for the Spurs.

Dion Waiter hated being a spot and shoot player in the Cavs offense, so he was traded away. Fans of Jimmer keep arguing that he needs the ball in his hands to really show how much he can deliver. Not going to happen with the Spurs that demand a high level of efficiency.

Efficiency is what wins games for the Spurs. Jimmer dribbling the ball trying to find an opening for himself is absolutely not going to happen.

[loveforthegame]

http://www.kens5.com/story/opinion/c...rker/30612641/

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and his staff have a well-earned reputation for developing players, something not lost on McCallum.

"Player development is huge, especially in the NBA," McCallum said. "I feel like I have a high ceiling and I'm glad to be here with these guys, and I think they can really expand my game. It's something I really haven't had in my first two years. I'm going to be around some great players and great coaches, and be in a great system. I'm excited to see where I can take my game."

I'm not saying it's all on the teams for why Jimmer hasn't clicked on a team yet. But I think player development is a big deal. And the Kings suck at that. We'll see if the Spurs can fix any of Jimmer's limitations. Maybe it's too late for him but it makes me wonder how things would have played out had he started with a team like the Spurs instead of the Kings.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I am no fan of Cojo's game, but his overall package of skills, defense, shooting, driving, is far better than Jimmer.

[ceperez]

He's not going to be as good as Joseph defensively. I agree though, he will shoot better and can orchestrate the offense better.

Is he better though than McCallum? To get playing time, he's got to beat McCallum at the PG role.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He's not going to be as good as Joseph defensively. I agree though, he will shoot better and can orchestrate the offense better.

Is he better though than McCallum? To get playing time, he's got to beat McCallum at the PG role.

I don't think he is better than Ray. But, admittedly, I am pretty high on Ray. I think he will be better for us than Cojo was. And, I think Cojo is better than Jimmer. Jimmer's strongest skill is shooting, and he hasn't been doing that all that well, and he's short with no D. I was hoping for a bigger Belinelli replacement. I lean with the Jimmer is redundant to Patty group. I don't want 4 6'0"-6'2" guys on the team, most being defensive negatives.

[exstatic]

I am no fan of Cojo's game, but his overall package of skills, defense, shooting, driving, is far better than Jimmer.

You're talking apples and...printer paper. Jimmer is on a 50K guarantee, and CoJo is making $7.5M.

[sasaint]

He's not going to be as good as Joseph defensively. I agree though, he will shoot better and can orchestrate the offense better.

Is he better though than McCallum? To get playing time, he's got to beat McCallum at the PG role.

That could be really good... or really bad! If Jimmer is better than a guy we traded for and RC said we couldn't touch if he were a FA - good! If McCallum can't excel the Jimmer of last season - oops! I personally expect Jimmer to play in Europe next year. Maybe we'll ship him to Boban's old team.

[ceperez]

I don't think he is better than Ray. But, admittedly, I am pretty high on Ray. I think he will be better for us than Cojo was. And, I think Cojo is better than Jimmer. Jimmer's strongest skill is shooting, and he hasn't been doing that all that well, and he's short with no D. I was hoping for a bigger Belinelli replacement. I lean with the Jimmer is redundant to Patty group. I don't want 4 6'0"-6'2" guys on the team, most being defensive negatives.

I don't think many folks realize this, but McCallum is better than Cojo in every aspect of the game. This was yet another Spurs steal!

Bufford said it himself, Spurs wouldn't have been able to sign McCallum if he was a free-agent. The league got ripped off again!

[ceperez]

That could be really good... or really bad! If Jimmer is better than a guy we traded for and RC said we couldn't touch if he were a FA - good! If McCallum can't excel the Jimmer of last season - oops! I personally expect Jimmer to play in Europe next year. Maybe we'll ship him to Boban's old team.

Spurs are going to accept the fact the Jimmer isn't that great in defense. It's just the same with Belinelli. Belinelli was so bad that Pop in many occasions jokes about it!

The key for Jimmer is

(1) Orchestrate the offense better than McCallum.
(2) Shoot better than McCallum.

If he can't do *both* not just one, then his career in NBA is practically over.

[littlecoyotecoin]

You're talking apples and...printer paper. Jimmer is on a 50K guarantee, and CoJo is making $7.5M.

Of, course. That's why I said "far better"? Far better means, well, a lot. Thought it was a fairly standard phrase. You missed the original comparison. I did not make it. The quote box had an error on my tablet, the easier fix was to delete most of it. I wouldn't have suggested Jimmer was even close, exactly why I refuted it.

[ceperez]

You're talking apples and...printer paper. Jimmer is on a 50K guarantee, and CoJo is making $7.5M.

From the practical point of view, Jimmer must prove that he is better than McCallum. That is as close to apples and apples that you are going to get.

Note: McCallum is better than CoJo, let's see if Jimmer is up to this challenge.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Spurs are going to accept the fact the Jimmer isn't that great in defense. It's just the same with Belinelli. Belinelli was so bad that Pop in many occasions jokes about it!

The key for Jimmer is

(1) Orchestrate the offense better than McCallum.
(2) Shoot better than McCallum.

If he can't do *both* not just one, then his career in NBA is practically over.

But, Belinelli had size, and shot better than Jimmer. Belinelli will look like Kawhi next to Jimmer, I think, defensively.

I think the only hope for Jimmer vs McCallum will be superior shooting. Ray is going to be better at everything else. But, time will tell.

[AFBlue]

I don't think anyone can predict how effective Jimmer will be in the system. You can expect to see some improvement based on the spacing and number of open looks he'll see, but whether that's enough to offset his deficiencies is still tbd.

[picnroll]

You're talking apples and...printer paper. Jimmer is on a 50K guarantee, and CoJo is making $7.5M.

Even with the pay difference it appears Simmons is a better player than CoJo at both ends of the floor and McCallum on the offensive end. Not sorry to see CoJo and his inability to really run an offense go. Jimmer if he makes it will likely be a modification of the Kerr, Neal, Bellinelli role. Put him in when offense is sucking and see if he's hot. That would give the Spurs two players to run at teams and see if either is hot. Three if you count Bonner.

[Darkwaters]

I am no fan of Cojo's game, but his overall package of skills, defense, shooting, driving, is far better than Jimmer.

Which is why hes an NBA player making very nice money and Jimmer is just hoping to be somebody's 15th man.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I don't think many folks realize this, but McCallum is better than Cojo in every aspect of the game. This was yet another Spurs steal!

Bufford said it himself, Spurs wouldn't have been able to sign McCallum if he was a free-agent. The league got ripped off again!

Well, I think Cojo will prove a better defender than Ray, but at everything else, Ray will be better. And, Ray will still be the better defender of the three small guards, like Cojo was, but probably just not as good as Cojo. Joseph wasn't a horrible shooter, I think they'll end up close in that department, if Ray improves coming out of a bad team like I hope. May even be a better shooter than CJ, and everything else offensively he's gonna be better, so not everything, but a steal by RC, I think.

[Darkwaters]

From the practical point of view, Jimmer must prove that he is better than McCallum. That is as close to apples and apples that you are going to get.

Note: McCallum is better than CoJo , let's see if Jimmer is up to this challenge.

I don't think most would agree with your opinion on this.