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tbh it's pretty hilarious how quickly you go ad hominem when you get frustrated and angry when someone disagrees with you.
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tbh it's pretty hilarious how quickly you go ad hominem when you get frustrated and angry when someone disagrees with you.
Undercover Planned Parenthood Videos Were Altered, Analysis Finds
WASHINGTON — Planned Parenthood on Thursday gave congressional leaders and a committee that is investigating allegations of criminality at its clinics an analysis it commissioned concluding that “manipulation” of undercover videos by abortion opponents make those recordings unreliable for any official inquiry.
“A thorough review of these videos in consultation with qualified experts found that they do not present a complete or accurate record of the events they purport to depict,” said the analysis of a private research company.
Shortly after release of the analysis, the anti-abortion group responsible for the videos dismissed the attempted debunking as “a complete failure,” and attributed gaps identified in the videos to “bathroom breaks and waiting periods.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/abortion-planned-parenthood-videos.html
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CNN's Jake Tapper Allows GOP Guest To Get Away With False Claim About Planned Parenthood
Tapper Asks Guests To "Agree To Disagree" Over False Claim That "94 Percent" Of PPFA Services Are Abortions
http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-away-w/205257
CNN entertainment-for-profit channel, peopled with entertainers, not journalists, enables LIARS, who are encouraged to keep LYING, the fundamental Repug strategy in creating their fantasy world.
the bull :
Repugs/VRWC/Christians/1% tell a LIE and then, sucking up to false equivalence of balance, "journalists" say "on the other hand"..., giving credibility to the LIES.
TSA with nothing to say.
Someone who truly did not give a wouldn't be hopeful that a person would be executed tbh.
Actually it's not even at that stage. Some say it's fertilization. Some say when sperm attaches to egg.
To which others respond, "what stage in fertilization, right as the DNA from dad enters the egg?"
It is a very difficult question from a biology perspective. This problem is not usually dealt with by knee jerks. It's easier to just pass on it. Some religions don't even like males to waste sperm unnecessarily unless it occurs during coitus in which case only one sperm wins (usually anyway). Biology is a very disturbing science for the ill-informed. Avante and evolution is a brutal example.
... a right to life that supersedes the carrier's right to decide whether or not to continue carrying. Which is why the "when" should be irrelevant, because the answer should be never.
Insemination is just as arbitrary as birth or sperm to declare something human. The reason why the first trimester is chosen is because that is before the brain develops. There is no possibility of consciousness and all you have are notions of spirituality.
Maybe morally, but certainly not legally. The thing is, it's not just a carrier. The fetus/baby/whatever-you-want-to-call-it is wholly physiologically dependent on the host, at least for a given time.
During that time, it's entirely a parasitic relationship. It might not sound cute, but that's effectively what it is.
Until technology can safely transplant the fetus/baby/whatever-you-want-to-call-it into another host, you're going to have to deal with the host's rights competing with the fetus/baby/whatever-you-want-to-call-it rights.
I may be misunderstanding your post but I think we're saying the same thing... I just probably articulated it poorly. No one can agree on when that human life supersedes the carrier's rights, but it is an irrelevant argument because it never does. The debate over when it's a "baby" is irrelevant, because its baby-ness should never give it the legal right to occupy its carrier's body against her will.
I feel the same way about the "what about rape" argument... Both of those arguments are distractions and compromises founded on pro-life assumptions that the fetus' "human-ness" and/or the mother's consent to sex undermine her right to determine what's happening inside her body.
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Yeah, it's a competing rights problem.
42 splices and counting: Here are 9 facts about the Planned Parenthood smear campaign you need to know
The scraps of conversation with Planned Parenthood employees that were recorded and released by fundamentalist Christian David Daleiden and his front organization, the Center for Medical Progress (CMP), sounded shockingly nasty. But as details of the smear campaign emerge, we probably should be surprised that they didn’t sound worse.
Here are nine facts that put what you heard in context:
42 Splices –
According to forensic analysis by Fusion GPS, the first five videos released by Daleiden and CMP, contained 42 splices where sentences were cut and patched to create the appearance of a seamless conversation. By design, these edits changed the meaning of individual sentences as well as the overall conversation. In one example, a Planned Parenthood staffer’s comment about lab protocols was edited to sound like she was talking about abortion procedures. Her words got echoed repeatedly by mainstream media who falsely assumed they knew what she was talking about.
Contradictory Evidence Omitted –
In a Colorado interview, a Planned Parenthood employee said 13 times that all fetal tissue donations must be reviewed by attorneys and follow all laws. All 13 times were omitted.
Edits in “Unedited Videos” –
The “unedited” videos released along with shorter excerpts were themselves edited, rendering them useless as evidence in legal cases or regulatory hearings.
Thousands of Hours of Recordings –
To shock audiences and create the appearance of callous wrongdoing, abortion foes selectively released less than one percent of their recordings, compiling even smaller fragments to create viral videos. By Daleiden’s own report, CMP agents recorded “thousands of hours,” from which they selected the ten or twenty hours of (moderately edited) recordings to obtain a few minutes of (heavily spliced) inflammatory sentences.
Expensive Taxpayer-funded Investigations Find No Wrongdoing –
A growing list of government committees in states including Massachusetts, Indiana, South Dakota, Georgia and Pennsylvania have now cleared Planned Parenthood of wrongdoing, and in California and Texas lawmakers have also called for investigation of fraud by the Center for Medical Progress.
Yuck Factor –
Rather than seeking to expose wrongdoing, the campaign appears optimized to trigger a frenzy of disgust among religious conservatives, activating them for the upcoming campaign cycle. Research suggests that, in contrast to liberals (who base moral judgments primarily on questions of fairness and harm), many conservatives fail to differentiate between physical disgust and morality.
Conservative campaigns leverage this fact. phobes wielded the “yuck factor” effectively for decades to block gay rights and are deploying the same strategy against reproductive rights. Repeated reference to fetal remains functions as a powerful arousal trigger for the Religious Right.
Gallows Humor –
Because black humor is a way people deal with stress, CMP was virtually guaranteed to catch shocking “callous, inappropriate” comments if they recorded long enough. Gruesome humor is particularly common among soldiers, doctors, EMT’s, medical researchers, farmworkers, nurses and others who work around bodily fluids and death. One friend commented that her nurse colleagues will joke rudely about their patients at one moment and then will be crying for the same patients an hour later.
Letting Down –
From a psychological standpoint, things we say and do in private (or among trusted, like-minded friends) are particularly vulnerable to being distorted by people with ill intent. That is because we rely on the other person to interpret any given statement within their experience of us. For example, after my bike is stolen, I can safely rant among friends about capital punishment for bike thieves only because my friends and family already carry the rest of the context: they know I oppose capital punishment. A Planned Parenthood employee joking about wanting a Lamborghini relies on the same unspoken understanding.
Not About Abortion –
The CMP smear campaign was designed not to reduce abortionbut rather to control who has sex, by heightening the threat of pregnancy and STI’s among young women. Secondarily, it was timed to feed Tea Party Republicans fodder for election campaigns . Since public dollars pay for no abortions, defunding Planned Parenthood would eliminate only their preventive care services, including birth control, with the ironic effect of driving up need and demand for abortion. It is part of a broader anti-birth-control campaign aimed at protecting biblical (Iron Age) family structures and gender roles.
Don’t be deceived:
The religious conservatives behind the Planned Parenthood smear campaign have shown repeatedly that they are willing to harm women and families and even drive up abortions in order to control the sexuality of females and youth.
This isn’t about their hatred of Planned Parenthood, the healthcare nonprofit, it is about their hatred of planned parenthood, with two small “p’s.” It’s about their hatred of the changes in society that allow young people to create the lives and families of their choosing, free from the biological constraints that for most of human history have made pregnancy the price of sex.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/42-s...-need-to-know/
'Planned Parenthood Exposed: Examining the Horrific Abortion Practices . . .'
No, that is not a headline from the latest edition of the National Enquirer. Incredibly, that is the le that the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives has selected for a hearing that is scheduled to begin this Wednesday at 10 AM ET. The U.S. Congress can find no fig leaf, no verbiage, nor even any doublespeak to suggest that this hearing is anything other than an opportunity for political grandstanding as they re-open yet another front in the War on Women.
Gee whiz, I wonder what the hearing will find?
Perhaps you need a le like that to distract from the real purpose of the hearing, which is
to justify not only defunding Planned Parenthood, but completely gutting le X and leaving millions of women without access to reproductive health care.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...8Daily+Kos%29#
Louisiana: Case in point for why defunding Planned Parenthood is a public health disaster
Here's a look at how defunding Louisiana's two Planned Parenthood clinics would play out, via Jackie Calmes.
Neither [Planned Parenthood] clinic in this state — like nearly half of all Planned Parenthood centers — performs (abortions). What the Louisiana Planned Parenthood clinics did do last year was administer nearly 20,000 tests for sexually transmitted infections, as well as providing gynecological exams, contraceptive care, cancer screenings and other wellness services for nearly 10,000 mostly low-income patients.“You can’t just cut Planned Parenthood off one day and expect everyone across the city to absorb the patients,” Dr. Taylor said. “There needs to be time to build the capacity.” [...]
Louisiana is among a number of states counted as medically underserved: It has a large poor and unhealthy population, with high rates of unintended pregnancies, a shortage of health professionals and too few who will accept Medicaid, as Planned Parenthood does.
So cutting off funds for two clinics will stop zero abortions, while depriving some 30,000 women of health services. If that's not the definition of fanaticism, I'm not sure what is. What's certain is it surely has nothing to do with any genuine concern for public health.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/07/1417552/-Louisiana-Case-in-point-for-why-defunding-Planned-Parenthood-is-a-public-health-disaster
But the Repugs will defund PP anyway. ing the poor (women), ing employees, ing everybody but BigCorp and 1%.
Conservatives prepare to make stand on Planned Parenthood
The make-or-break moment for House conservatives to defund Planned Parenthood is here.
Outraged by undercover videos on fetal tissue donation, (willfully duped by heavily edited, totally dishonest, slanderous videos) conservatives are pushing to cut all federal funding for Planned Parenthood as part of legislation that would avert a government shutdown on Oct. 1.
Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C. Confederate ), a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus, spearheaded a letter to House GOP leaders shortly before lawmakers' August recess that stated he and 17 other Republicans would not vote for any spending bill that continues funding for Planned Parenthood.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/252807-conservatives-prepare-to-make-stand-on-planned-parenthood
Ted Cruz loses the whole Senate, but can still win a shutdown
Sen. Ted Cruz's latest shutdown crusade over Planned Parenthood funding has alienated everyone in Washington, except his couple dozen minions in the House, to the point that his Senate colleagues have given up any pretense of talking about him in polite terms. It's gotten so bad that Cruz has even lost his trusty sidekick and lil' buddy, Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), and is having a very hard time finding anyone who will help him out in signing his pledge to defund Planned Parenthood.
"I don't want to use a failed tactic for political purposes knowing that it's not going to succeed," said Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.). "It will certainly get Sen. Cruz a lot of attention, which is obviously something that anybody running for president would want to get." […]Cruz is circulating a letter among senators hoping to get them to sign on to his vow to oppose any bill that funds Planned Parenthood this month, but his colleagues aren't biting.
In an interview, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said it’s "obvious" Cruz is only making this his latest cause to boost his visibility in a presidential campaign. And Ayotte, who withdrew her name from Lee's 2013 letter on Obamacare, said she will "absolutely not" sign onto Cruz’s latest missive. […]
Whereas in late August of 2013, Lee had secured pledges from 14 senators to defund Obamacare in the spending bill, Cruz is just getting started on his lobbying effort. But Lee, a frequent Cruz ally, hasn't yet signed on, and conservative Sens. Jim Risch of Idaho and Deb Fischer of Nebraska, who jumped into the Obamacare fight, are keeping their powder dry this time.
Even Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), who no one will ever mistake for a Mensa candidate, knows that Cruz's ploy is poison. "Let's pass protection of life 20 weeks and after. That would be a reasonable response here," he tells Politico. "Develop a winning strategy rather than one that's guaranteed to lose."
Ayotte, Johnson, and a raft of other Republicans up for re-election don't want to have to run with the stench of shutdown, and are not buying Cruz's assurances that "[i]t is only in the twisted, inverted logic of the Washington Beltway that anyone other than Barack Obama would bear responsibility for that shutdown."
It's the whole of Congress vs. Ted Cruz and his couple dozen House followers. And the small minority of extremist Republicans who make up the presidential primary base. But guess who's going to get their way on September 30, all because Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are incapable of leading.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...28Daily+Kos%29
Stat check: No, Planned Parenthood does not get $500 million in federal funds
Planned Parenthood received $528.4 million in public funding last year
Every year, Planned Parenthood issues an annual report that breaks down where it gets funding. The most recent report shows that about 41 percent of the organization's budget comes from "government grants and reimbursements." You can see that in this chart.
(Planned Parenthood)
If you translate that graph into dollar figures, as this table does, the half-billion figure turns up:
(Planned Parenthood)
That $528.4 billion figure covers all public funding that Planned Parenthood receives. That means it includes money from the federal government but also any revenue that comes in from state or local governments.
Planned Parenthood does not provide a breakdown of those different revenue streams — that is, its budgeting doesn't see federal and state dollars any differently. And when you think about how Planned Parenthood gets government money, that actually makes sense.
Much of Planned Parenthood's public revenue comes from seeing Medicaid patients. Medicaid covers 71 million Americans, and whenever one of them has a Planned Parenthood visit, the clinic gets a reimbursement check.
That's where the accounting gets a bit tricky: Medicaid is a program jointly funded by the federal government and the state. Here in the District of Columbia, the federal government pays for 70 percent of the program — and the district picks up the rest. The match percentage varies by state; you can see all the states here.
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/10/9304023...ederal-funding
GOP Holds ‘Farce’ Planned Parenthood Hearing
the committee heard from three long-time anti-choice advocates, including National Right to Life Committee general counsel James Bopp, and one pro-choice law professor, Priscilla Smith, director of Yale Law School’s Program for the Study of Reproductive Justice. Two of the witnesses called themselves “abortion survivors” and said they were born alive during very late abortion procedures, through methods that are no longer common practice.
Planned Parenthood executive vice president Dawn Laguens in a statement decried the nearly four-hour committee hearing as “political theater at its very worst.”
Several Democrats on the committee agreed with her, complaining that with a hearing le like “Planned Parenthood Exposed: Examining the Horrific Abortion Practices at the Nation’s Largest Abortion Provider,” the Republican majority clearly wasn’t interested in an impartial investigation.
“The le alone is enough to call this hearing a farce,” said Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) during the hearing. “It is wrong, and should be beneath this committee, to state its conclusion without a shred of evidence and before we receive even a word of testimony.”
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) called the hearing “the Benghazi of health-care hearings,” and said that the hearing was “not about the videos” but rather about whether women should have the right to choose.
Republicans on the committee did indeed seem more interested in discussing the morality of abortion, especially later abortion, than the particulars of whether and how Planned Parenthood broke any laws.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/09/10/gop-holds-farce-planned-parenthood-hearing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+rhrealitycheck+%28RH+Reality+Check%29
Senate Preparing to Vote on Uncons utional 20-Week Abortion Ban
Twenty-week abortion bans are considered uncons utional because they violate Roe v. Wade’s protection of abortion rights up until the point of fetal viability, which is well after 20 weeks. Passing them at the state and federal level has been a primary strategy of the anti-choice movement, which hopes to use the cons utional conflict as a means of overturning Roe.
McConnell’s move could set up a vote on the ban somewhere between the final debate on the Iran deal and the end of the month, when the Senate will have to pass a spending bill to keep the government funded.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...ality+Check%29
Louisiana: Who needs Planned Parenthood when you have a dentist?
Gov. Bobby Jindal is fighting to defund Planned Parenthood in his state of Louisiana, and his administration doesn't much care about the facts in that fight. Seeking to prove that there would still be plenty of family planning services available for low-income Louisiana women, Jindal's administration gave a federal judge a list of 2,000 healthcare providers that could supposedly fill the gap. But, Molly Redden reports:
"It strikes me as extremely odd that you have a dermatologist, an audiologist, a dentist who are billing for family planning services," said the judge, John deGravelles, who will determine in the next week whether it is legal for the state to end Planned Parenthood's Medicaid contracts.
"But that is what you're representing to the court?
You're telling me that they can provide family planning and related services?"His harsh questioning sent the state back to the drawing board.
On Tuesday, the state's attorneys acknowledged that the dentists and other specialists didn't belong on the list. They filed a pared-down version that lists just 29 health care providers.
There's a small difference between 29 and 2,000, just like there's a small difference between a gynecologist and a dentist. Oh, and by the way, 29 providers on the list doesn't actually mean there are 29 places in Louisiana low-income women could go for family planning:
In Baton Rouge, the site of one of two Louisiana Planned Parenthood clinics, the state lists five alternate providers.
But only three of those offer contraception, according to the state's filing, and two of those have wait times ranging from two to seven weeks.
One of the Baton Rouge clinics the state suggested is not accepting any new patients for STI, breast cancer, or cervical cancer screenings.
Jindal's administration doesn't care about the facts and it doesn't care about health care for low-income women.
This is all about a partisan attack on Planned Parenthood—and one conveniently timed to help Bobby Jindal's presidential campaign.
(Which is beyond help, but apparently he hasn't clued into that yet.)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/11/1420437/-Louisiana-Who-needs-Planned-Parenthood-when-you-have-a-dentist?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_ campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29#
FBI warns of increased attacks on women’s healthcare facilities
"It is likely criminal or su ious incidents will continue to be directed against reproductive health care providers, their staff and facilities," an FBI Intelligence Assessment reads, according to a CBS report Friday.
The finding comes after a July video from the pro-life Center for Medical Progress, which released secretly taped footage of Planned Parenthood officials discussing how they use tissues from aborted fetuses for medical research.
Since then, federal investigators have reported nine criminal or su ious incidents at reproductive health centers across the country, which included cyberattacks, threats and arson. The FBI believes the incidents were “consistent with the actions of lone offenders using tactics of arsons and threats all of which are typical of the pro-life extremist movement,” sources told CBS.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/fbi-...e+Raw+Story%29
Federal Court Rules Center for Medical Progress and BioMax Can’t Plead the Fifth
A federal judge today handed a decisive loss to the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) and BioMax, the two organizations embroiled in a lawsuit with the National Abortion Federation (NAF) stemming from their smear campaign against Planned Parenthood, along with David Daleiden, the head of CMP.
Judge William Orrick of the U.S. District Court of Northern California in San Francisco ruled that Center for Medical Progress and BioMax as corporate defendants cannot plead the Fifth Amendment in order to avoid responding to NAF’s discovery requests.
NAF filed a lawsuit in late July alleging civil conspiracy, racketeering, fraud, and breach of contract, among other civil and criminal allegations, stemming from the release of video footage deceptively edited to suggest that NAF members, including Planned Parenthood, are engaged in illegal trafficking of fetal baby parts.
NAF also sought a temporary restraining order blocking any further release of the attack videos.
Orrick issued the temporary restraining order, and ordered expedited discovery so that the National Abortion Federation could gather evidence to support its effort to obtain a preliminary injunction blocking CMP and Daleiden from releasing additional footage or other materials that NAF alleges the anti-choice front group fraudulently acquired. CMP and Daleiden usedfalse identification cards to infiltrate NAF’s annual meetings in 2014 and 2015, according to NAF.
All defendants in the case, including the corporate defendants, informed the court last month that they planned to plead the Fifth Amendment in response to all of NAF’s discovery requests in order to avoid making any self-incriminatory statements.
No court in the country has ever permitted a corporation to plead the Fifth Amendment.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/20...ality+Check%29
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