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    America's Gun Business, By the Numbers

    Before a gun can be used to hunt, for protection, or in a mass school shooting like Thursday's tragic killing at Umpqua Community College that left 10 dead, it must be bought. That one sale is a single dot in a multibillion-dollar industry, one that is coming under new scrutiny during the post-massacre gun control debate. Here's a by the numbers breakdown.

    $13.5 billion

    Annual revenue of gun and ammunition manufacturing industry, with a $1.5 billion profit. (IBIS World)

    $3.1 billion

    Annual revenue of gun and ammunition stores, with a $478.4 million profit. (IBIS World)

    10,847,792

    The number of pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns and miscellaneous firearms manufactured in the U.S. in 2013, the latest full year available. That's 4,441,726 pistols, 725,282 revolvers, 3,979,570 rifles, 1,203,072 shotguns, and 495,142 miscellaneous firearms. (ATF)

    4%

    Percentage of the above guns which were exported. Of those 10.84 million guns, 10,413,880 stay in America. (ATF)


    270-310 million

    Estimated of number of guns in the U.S. (Pew Research Center)


    263,223

    Number of full-time jobs related to the firearm industry, up from 209,750 in 2012. (NSSF)

    $42.9 billion

    Estimated overall economic impact of the firearms and ammo industry in the U.S. (NSSF)

    20,968,273

    Number of firearm background checks initiated in 2014. Because a background check is required before a gun is bought, this numbers gives insight into gun sale trends. However, just because a background check was initiated doesn't mean a gun was purchased. (FBI)

    9,138,123

    Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI)

    5

    Average number of firearms owned by a gun owner once you toss out the top 3% of gun owners who own more than 25 guns. (Journal of Injury Prevention)

    31%

    Percentage of American households with guns. (NORC)

    29%, 43.7%, 55.9%

    Adults living in a household with firearms: percentage by suburbs, other urban areas, and rural counties, respectively. (NORC)

    60%

    Percentage of Americans who say personal safety/protection is the reason they own a gun. (Gallup)

    $229 billion

    The cost of fatal and non-fatal gun violence to the U.S. in 2012, representing 1.4% of total gross domestic product.(Mother Jones)

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/02/ameri...e-numbers.html


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    This has nothing to do with my personal opinion or political agenda.
    Well it clearly does. So it's a coincidence a fervent gun supporter such as yourself believes that dispossessing people all weapons is completely unfeasible?

    My solution is feasible according to me since you asked what my solution would be. Not sure why you think I should change my mind simply because you told me to..

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    Interesting...The LA Times changed the le of the article already. So were the "white supremacy" leanings made up bull to fit the narrative?

    le now reads:

    Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and long struggled with mental issues, sources say

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...002-story.html

    Conspiracy!

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    Well it clearly does. So it's a coincidence a fervent gun supporter such as yourself believes that dispossessing people all weapons is completely unfeasible?

    My solution is feasible according to me since you asked what my solution would be. Not sure why you think I should change my mind simply because you told me to..
    I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm simply asking you for a feasible solution which you have failed to give time and time again. Even the hardcore left here would laugh at your silly idea.

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    Just the media pushing their narrative without fact checking. Do you have any other explanation for them changing the le?

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    Just the media pushing their narrative without fact checking. Do you have any other explanation for them changing the le?
    Interesting...The LA Times changed the le of the article already. So were the "white supremacy" leanings made up bull to fit the narrative?

    le now reads:

    Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and long struggled with mental issues, sources say

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...002-story.html

    Had you read even the first paragraph of the article, you'd have known that the "hate-filled" and "white supremacist leanings" phrases were still in there.
    The gunman who carried out the deadly attack on Umpqua Community College was described Friday as a “hate-filled” individual, with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who has long struggled with mental health issues, law enforcement sources said.
    Next time read the article.

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    People that buy guns are paying taxes on them

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    People that buy guns are paying taxes on them
    I think the car murder angle may be better than this one.

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    Had you read even the first paragraph of the article, you'd have known that the "hate-filled" and "white supremacist leanings" phrases were still in there.


    Next time read the article.
    I specifically mentioned the le change and you didn't answer the question of why they pull that from the le.

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    I specifically mentioned the le change and you didn't answer the question of why they pull that from the le.
    Since they didn't change the article, what is your problem?

    You were accusing them of running a false story then redacting it. All they did was change the headline, emphasizing a different part of the story. The story is the same.

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    The way I see it is this: More mass shootings, it feeds both sides, what increases is gun sales. These incidents don't decrease sales, they do the opposite by creating fear on both sides. "Geez, I don't want to get shot...better buy a gun for protection" Hey, they're going to take my guns away...buy more guns because the government will come in and make me register them and take them away soon"

    America: Culture born of redemption, revenge, en lement and warped sense of individuality.

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    Since they didn't change the article, what is your problem?

    You were accusing them of running a false story then redacting it. All they did was change the headline, emphasizing a different part of the story. The story is the same.
    its poor journalism and was obviously brought to their attention as they took the original le down.

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    The way I see it is this: More mass shootings, it feeds both sides, what increases is gun sales. These incidents don't decrease sales, they do the opposite by creating fear on both sides. "Geez, I don't want to get shot...better buy a gun for protection" Hey, they're going to take my guns away...buy more guns because the government will come in and make me register them and take them away soon"

    America: Culture born of redemption, revenge, en lement and warped sense of individuality.
    The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.

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    its poor journalism and was obviously brought to their attention as they took the original le down.
    Why is it poor journalism? The story is exactly the same. The white supremacist angle is still in the first paragraph. The story didn't change. Why are you acting like they redacted the white supremacist angle? They didn't. Changing the le didn't change the article one bit.

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    The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.
    You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.

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    You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.
    I guess, but 14 guns in a two-bedroom apartment? I think that's a little hard to miss. Especially after Nancy Lanza got blasted after doing all the things she did for her ed up kid, you'd think folks might work a little more in their own interest.

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    The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.
    You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.

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    The black registered independent right wing white supremacist. Did I get it right?

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    Curious why he was discharged from military.

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    I guess, but 14 guns in a two-bedroom apartment? I think that's a little hard to miss. Especially after Nancy Lanza got blasted after doing all the things she did for her ed up kid, you'd think folks might work a little more in their own interest.
    Comes down to negligence and no real threat of repercussion other than being labelled as a ty parent. Maybe jail time and financial penalties would spur people into action.

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    Comes down to negligence and no real threat of repercussion other than being labelled as a ty parent. Maybe jail time and financial penalties would spur people into action.
    Doesn't sound like she was a ty parent though.

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    You should care about statistics because your argument now has just boiled down to my feels

    It's the most popular rifle in the United States and is used the least for murders. A gun is a gun, stop pretending a little black handguard or a nifty red dot makes it any more lethal. Oh noes a vertical grip!!!
    What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

    Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

    Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.

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    What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

    Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

    Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.
    AR15's are not M16's.

    I wont even bother with the rest of your argument because it's based on your feelings and not facts.

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    What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

    Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

    Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.
    And just to make sure I am clear with your line of thinking you are not against all rifles just AR15s correct?

    So this Ruger is all good in your book correct?

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    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...e-data-table-8

    Uh oh mingus. The traditional hunting weapon the shotgun was used in more murders than the rifle. And the AR15 is a subset of the rifle category so the numbers are even smaller than what the chart gives. Is the shotgun an excessive weapon that doesn't need to be on the streets for hunting or anything?

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