Did chump say that?You're already stating outright that Butler is ahead of Simmons......
The lengths you go to, man.....
The lengths you go to, man.....
Did chump say that?
The lengths you go to, man.....
I counted Simmons as SG, genius.
The lengths you go to, man.....
Maybe, you weren't paying attention to what positions Simmons was playing last night, genius. He's 6'6" with a 6'8" wing span. The dude's gonna log his main minutes at the three. And even if he did play more SG, that wouldn't put freaking Butler ahead of him in the depth chart at the wing.
I paid attention -- last night and in SL and the D-League -- he was used as a combo guard. And the jury is out on whether he would be ahead or behind Butler at the 3 -- oh that's right, you said Simmons is in his prime as a rookie.
lol you even rounded up his measurements. Reaching.
Not to me. He was awful. Ray made clutch shots with a quick release and was dedicated on defense. With him to start the 4th, the team made a run. Jimmer played with effort defensively but was overmatched by everyone. Small guys run past him off a screen easy. SG he can't even deal with bc his arms at not even long enough to make a decent contest. Patty has the same problem. Quite simply you can't play Jimmer at the 2 unless you have a playmaker 2 like Manu.
Unfortunately, I have to agree and give all props to Chinook. He was right. Jimmer passed up 3s that other shooters could have taken due to his slow/weird shooting motion. He had good looks and didn't make them. I thought his best aspect is that his ballhandling is good and he's quick enough off the dribble to make plays. He got decent minutes with different guys and didn't show his game.
To me the worst player of the bunch was Reggie Williams though. He was completely disinterested on defense, allowing Marco open looks. I'd give Jimmer another look, but the real team line-ups are going to command minutes next time bc they have chemistry issues and he won't get as many more chances unless he comes out with the mind to be balling.
There's no way the Spurs complete an evaluation of Jimmer after 12 minutes of the first preseason game. Their evaluation is based on much more than that. They also have a lot to see in practice and scrimmages. Nobody on the bubble has moved ahead or behind anybody. Once they have a few weeks of practice and 3 to 4 games under their belt, that's when players begin to separate themselves. Fredette, Thomas, Williams and Butler will get varying degrees of minutes and matchups through the preseason and that will help the staff to better evaluate everyone.
Spurs have 3 guards that all do the same thing... Mills, McCallum and Fredette. I don't know much about Williams, but I gather he also is the same kind of guard.
McCallum seems to be just as bad a Cojo in orchestrating the offense. McCallum's problem is that when his dribbling doesn't help him or the team. It is kind of pointless. At least Mills uses it and a screen to find space to shoot. McCallum just has a pointless dribble.
What impressed me though about McCallum is how quick he released that 3 point shot. Maybe he's been watching Curry's game.
Fredette still hasn't learned to release quickly enough. That is a major problem and prevents him from getting clean looks.
Damage control.
Debating whether or not simmons is a 3 or 2 is irrelevant. Would you mind playing him next to Manu is what really matters. I wouldn't.
Just made no sense to guarantee him so much money on a one-year deal. He's never been a good offensive team player. He's always been a guy who needs the ball in his hands but is simultaneously not good enough with the ball in his hands to make his team better. If you're going to get a shooter, get a shooter who can get his shot off. If you're going to get an offensive player, get one who has poor offensive metrics. If you're going to give a guy a shot to turn around his career, don't guarantee half his salary.
I'm sure Jimmer will have better games this preseason. He can get hot and more aggressive. But the question isn't whether Jimmer can be serviceable if everything goes his way. It's whether he will give a higher return on investment compared to another min guy. I'm not convinced that's the case. As a guy that far down the totem pole, Jimmer's the one who has to fit what the team does. The team should not have to adjust to his style.
I can see why you believe such things. But I think you're making a rush to judgement based on one game.
Reggie annoyed the out of me at the end of the game--fool acting like he's (a good) James Harden at the end of the game, dribbling the ball all over without aggression for the remaining 12 seconds. It's like pass the damn ball, . Don't even know why he was in the game; he has a zero percent shot at a roster spot.
That should be Jimmer's outlook. But the Spurs would be stupid not to take advantage of his strengths nonetheless. High screen and let him create or shoot the bomb. Let Jimmer be Jimmer if you want the highest dividends. None of that is to say that he shouldn't be working on weaknesses in his game or find ways to fit in the system better.
By even talking about Jimmer and Ray in the same sentence as Patty is talking serious smack about Mills.
Mills is a legit NBA player, and a good one at that.
Patty was a cut above those two last night.
McCallum had a good game; but people need to realize that the outside shooting was above his metrics. He's not a reliable shooter, especially on contested shots. Jimmer had a dreadful game. In reality, Jimmer is the much better shooter; everything else is comparable between the two.
The issue is that even at his best, it wasn't like Jimmer was moving the needle for his teams. Yes, if he can play his game (hold the ball and take 30-foot stepbacks and floaters), his personal number will go up. But it doesn't help the team for him to be the primary ball-handler. His skill would be fine as a secondary ball-handler, but he doesn't play well off the ball at all. Does it make sense for Pop to take the ball out of Ginobili's or Anderson's hands to give Jimmer the nod? Not really.
Williams was bad. To me the most damming about him was him missing rotations. He gave up a 3 at the end, I just rewatched the last quarter bc I loved Anderson TBH. Anyways, he left Marco open for a 3 that could have been the game right there. There were a couple of other plays in transition that he botched. Simmons ran ahead and lost track of Marco. Simmons botched his assignment in transition, but Williams was trailing and could have called out Simmons to pick him up or sprint and make a play himself and he didn't. No amount of good shooting from Williams is worth that. I did see Jimmer play with more effort than that, he just wasn't very good. For sure Ray is better defensively and he's no playmaker, but he has a quick shot, is aggressive and has a good handle. It was just one game. He has a partial guarantee and will get more chances.
it adds up when you account for the luxury tax they would pay for paying someone else too.
i'm not sure what is this topic about, we know who jimmer is. We don't need no D shooters, we had enough of cancernelli in these two years thank you.
I have to say Anderson is that guy who makes other guys look better by playing next to him. He stood out in SL and again in this game. At one point in the 4th, Messina sat him for a min and the team started to look like a dleague team and he had to get him back in. Anderson scored or assisted in about 50% of the team's last baskets. I saw him point to guys where to go and what to do at times. It's not just what we see, I think there is communication with guys to get on the same page on what they are doing, leadership if you will. I think he played the last 3 mins or so in the 3rd and almost all of the 4th. That unit at the end worked bc of him. Karl had no answer for him, he drove by cOusins and at the other end Boban and swarming the paint caused TO, so Karl went to Rudy Gay. No big deal either. Kyle brought the team back from a double digit deficit, with obvious contributions from other guys, both Ray and the centers were huge and the team was stout defensively. The WIlliams subs ution doomed them bc of his bad defensive effort and poor play.
Anyways Kyle was really impressive and not ball dominant. He's blossoming into a fine young player. I don't see him back in the dleague as he's too good for that and he will get minutes this year, bc Pop will want to continue to develop that talent.
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Jimmer did not have a good game playing off the ball. The chemistry is not there yet though. I'm optimistic we'll see significant improvement provided Jimmer makes the roster. Jimmer didn't have a good game; but it's noteworthy that the players he was on the floor with were not doing well either. He actually looked good playing off of strong players like Kawhi.
Anderson is the other guy that Jimmer looked good playing off of. Anderson was playing too much hero ball though. He only got a pass b/c he was making his shots. But he wasn't doing the Spurs mantra of pass up a good shot for a better shot. All the same, I thought the drive and kick potential between the two was looking good.
Who says they would sign anyone else? They'll run with 14 or 15 to start the season.
He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.
Hero ball? He had 5 assists!
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