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Whatever they wanted.
Due to "religious duty" as Ahmadinejad (or any other head-of-state with similar ideology) stated on multiple occasions.
Whatever they wanted.
They stated many times they would drop a nuke on Israel unprovoked?
You'll have to provide many links of all of them doing so.
Which is what?
Chiefly the power to not have to rely on the U.S. as a military or economic ally... A relationship which has eroded somewhat under the current administration....
So we won't have anything to do with Israel anymore?
Good.
That relationship did nothing for the US.
If you want such a black&white quote, you clearly don't understand the desires of Islamic extremism (ideologies which have permeated the highest levels of Iran's government)...
The yearly summit held in Tehran (mind you with no land-dispute based horse in the race)... Is led, "A World without Zionism"....
So they never said they would nuke Israel unprovoked.
Nice attempt at fear mongering, Bibi.
This has nothing to do with Iran wanting nukes. They been wanting nukes since the 50s. Wake up
Clearly, you've never conducted a risk assessment before. You don't wait till a threat is an imminent world threat before you address it. How did the extremist ISIS threat flourish so rapidly to the point of conducting genocides and no one did anything to stop it before it came to that... That's the problem with extremism... It is wholly unpredictable.
No one should want that chaotic dynamic to mix with nuclear capabilities. Sense and logic aren't what dictate their diplomatic strategies.
comparing a terrorist jihadi organization formed 2 years ago to the Republic of Iran a UN member which was founded in 625BC
holy
I'm out... You leftists can continue to gang up on my POV in my absence... [work calls]...
Many people predicted the rise of ISIS when Bush disbanded the Iraqi army and de-Baathed the government.
And again, why didn't Iran go whole hog martyr nation in the war with Iraq?
Maybe you can provide a P for your OV next time.
messageboard martyr
didjahear? life on earth started about 300M years earlier, so your God must have started a day earlier to the get biological evolution started.
Too bad reality hasn't called yet.
you guys should look up some of phenoms post history.
goddamn entertaining.
Of course the usual mudslingers have crawled out of their caves.
I don't need anybody's agreement, or consent, or approval for anything I do, say or believe. I know I hold completely different beliefs from most people on this board. I just find it laughable how inconsistent you all are with your own philosophies and belief sets. For example, it is plainly clear to anyone that reads this board that many of you all reject Christianity in all its ways forms and functions - do any search through the political and club forums and there is always at least one anti-Christian post somewhere amongst the first page. Yet here you all are defending Islam.
If I tire at this board it's because of the drudgery associated with your methods... You all continually ignore stuff that doesn't suit your arguments. NEVER do any of you accept responsibility for mistakes or factual errors. And you all constantly throw strawmen left and right (as if I'm supposed to keep up and reply to everybody's fickle whims)... for example:
I acquiesced ChumpDumper's non-sequitor question, even if his intent was to pander to the ad-hominem nature of this board's members. I pointed out that the ideologies at the helm of Iran's government remain the same. Obviously, he never admitted such - always a redirect.
In my OP, however, I referenced Kirchner's UN address - in which she stated that Obama's administration approached Argentina in 2010 - a point in time during which Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was still very much the leader of the Iranian regime. A point in time after which his many anti-Israeli quotes were uttered (quotes provided, and conveniently ignored). So again, in that context - why would our government, or any government for that matter wish to supply the extremist Iranian government with any enriched nuclear fuel whatsoever, in any context, or under any pretext (material that could still be used and further refined to produce weapons grade fuel)?
CD and hater casually dismissed Iran's refusal to accept the historical atrocities promulgated during and leading up to WWII (as if the premise were wholly irrelevant)... How can anyone with a sound mind, justify the holocaust denial movement? Over 6 million jews died at the hands of extremist ideologies, and Iran's leaders believe that the whole thing was made up? So THEN to casually suggest that the ludicrousness of this belief has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ('a litmus test') on the Israel question - specifically the validation of it's sovereignty - IS JUST OUTRIGHT STUPID, disingenuous at best.
Did no one point out that hater's rebuttal of Ahmadinejad's quote was done so fallaciously - of course not, it doesn't suit the flow of your thinking. If any head-of-state in a position such as Ahmadinejad's declares that, "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" - how can that not be construed as probable motive for confrontation against Israel?
AGAIN, the statements were made at a YEARLY "A World Without Zionism" Summit. And yet, this rally context doesn't raise any red flags in your collective minds? Again, all ridiculously laughable. And then to bring up another strawman that the nation of Iran doesn't "want to throw themselves in martyrdom" - I never suggested as much and STILL had to defend a position that CD created out of the blue to suit his own arguments...
I also pointed out that the nation of Iran should have no horse-in-the-race in disputes against Israel. There's no land quarrel between the two nations. The nations have never been at war with each other since the creation of the modern Israeli State. And yet here we are discussing why their country's leaders feel the need to constantly feed the population this anti-Semitic rhetoric. Why even bring up rhetoric of Israel being an enemy at all? Oh yeah... they believe the sanctions are Israel's fault (mind you they are upheld by the UN/NATO/USA). All Iran has to do is give up its nuclear ambitions. Simple solution - but national pride has blinded them. They have no need for nuclear energies given they have enough reserves of oil/gas to fulfill their energy demands and THEN SOME. But no, they ideologically hold on to an en lement right that has kept those sanctions in place. Who's fault is that? - very, much their own - self inflicted.
BTW CD, the current Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, has also served as a Shi'ite Cleric. From the Wiki page:
He has also described Israel as an "enemy" and said that "we need to find ways to express death to America with action."
This guy isn't a friend to western culture by any stretch of the imagination.
Finally, to point out the incredibly naïve.... Did I really just have to point out why Israel securing a prominent spot in the global ENERGY sector is a significant shift from the status quo? Israel is already designing state-of-the-art facilities to extract and refine their oil/gas - they will be a NET exporter by 2018. I've personally seen their designs and they are light years more robust than anything in the industry today. They likely won't need our economic support or military support going forward. They will prevent OPEC countries from controlling the energy market, because they will have lower production costs than any other oil producer or fuel refiner on the planet. Unlike Iran or Russia, who as hater pointed out wilted when the Saudis flooded the market to lower prices - they would not be able to leverage Israel with the same tactics (at least not without shooting themselves in the foot).
Whatever.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-20-2015 at 05:29 PM.
i've never once defended islam.
What does this have to do with anything?
Thats why it's very important to understand the makeup of Iran vs. N. Korea and Pakistan (which have a very different hierarchy).
The Republican Guard is very shaky in terms of political views. They control the weapons, not the current President or even the current Ayatollah (even though he has more input). The Republican guard has elements which are super radical and are responsible for playing with Hezbollah and other even more radical groups. And, guess where they are located? Right in the middle of all this . Transporting a ground weapon to super radical groups in an area already teaming with people who want to die next to heavy populated areas is a huge concern.
This makes Iran VERY different. It's not the president or Ayatollah that are worrisome.
So now your take. I am giving up on Hater as he wants nothing to do with legit discussion.
This is not a country with a clean clear command structure.
Last edited by pgardn; 10-20-2015 at 06:29 PM.
You'll have to give me some examples of the Republican Guard's going off the reservation with no repercussions from the religious leaders. I may be persuaded.
And I ask again.
Why do Russia, China, India... want to keep nukes out of Iran?
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