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    The real issue (IMO) is that GS might not trust Klay in the PO's even though they have paid him. He has some big shots and competes on defense, but his numbers regress every playoff. So having Barnes around might be some Klay insurance.

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    They have Rid and Klay...
    Exactly.

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    Right but he turned that down. Which is my point what i was asking but worded poorly what is his max?
    The 5 yr max for players w/ less than 6 years experience is 94 mill or he could sign elsewhere for 4yrs/70mill

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    I'd probably keep Barnes if it's not a crazy overpay, chemistry and continuity is worth more than $ to an extent, but just saying, I don't understand the hype of him as an individual player..
    Oh, I agree, I was just telling Killa how teams think. I've literally asked this question to NBA coaches/gms and that's how they think. Outside of Cuban who got his and blew it up

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    The real issue (IMO) is that GS might not trust Klay in the PO's even though they have paid him. He has some big shots and competes on defense, but his numbers regress every playoff. So having Barnes around might be some Klay insurance.
    Barnes is valuable for their system b/c he has the size/strength to guard PFs on defense when Draymond is playing center. He was the one guarding Z-Bo when Bogut was benched. Otherwise, he isn't a scorer like Klay to be his replacement; teams actually put their weakest defenders on him or leave him open to double Curry. Livingston/Iggy/Barbosa made up for Klay's lack of scoring in the Finals.

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    Barnes is valuable for their system b/c he plays the 4 when Draymond is playing center. He was the one guarding Z-Bo when Bogut was benched. Otherwise, he isn't a scorer like Klay to be his replacement. Livingston/Iggy/Barbosa made up for Klay's lack of scoring in the Finals.
    He's no where near the scorer Klay is, but like you said he was able to do a few things. You have to have the flexibility if you can't trust Klay (which they probably do) which is what I meant by that.

    Like others have said, I think you could find plenty of guys talent wise to do what Barnes does for them though.

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    I'd probably keep Barnes if it's not a crazy overpay, chemistry and continuity is worth more than $ to an extent, but just saying, I don't understand the hype of him as an individual player..
    Barnes is okay, versatile guy that can shoot and defend (like Dray), he should be paid good money but not a dollar more than $8 million per year

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    He's no where near the scorer Klay is, but like you said he was able to do a few things. You have to have the flexibility if you can't trust Klay (which they probably do) which is what I meant by that.

    Like others have said, I think you could find plenty of guys talent wise to do what Barnes does for them though.
    They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to re-sign him b/c they have his Bird rights. His agent can play hard-ball knowing they are willing to overpay him for his services, that's basically what Tristan Thompson did since the Cavs were capped out.

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    MVP race might already be over, tbh

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    They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to resign him b/c they have his Bird rights.
    When the cap jumps they should be ok to sign a replacement. And to be honest, either via draft or lower end FA, Barnes is probably replaceable in a bubble. But when you factor in chemistry, familiarity and fit, it becomes cloudy.

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    The 5 yr max for players w/ less than 6 years experience is 94 mill or he could sign elsewhere for 4yrs/70mill
    Thanks. And i agree with both deeps and Harlem ...no you dont break up your le team willingly ...but i watched him since college. He has talent is a hard worker but not a max player. If he makes it to FA i would call dubs bluff if they want to pay him 70 million to be their 4th or 5th best player God bless them. But tgat is why spurs are so great danny green makes much less in a similar role.

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    I have said it for a while but I will say it again which is Davis is a big in the mold of KG/Drob. Just like those two guys hes going to have a hard time leading a team to a le because he doesn't have back to the basket game like Duncan.

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    Barnes is okay, versatile guy that can shoot and defend (like Dray), he should be paid good money but not a dollar more than $8 million per year
    8 million. It's 2015.....dude was offered 13mill per & turned it down.

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    Curry does so many things right that its hard to believe he's just a point guard. He's on every play and on every area of the court. His scoring greatly overshadows his point guard ability and his point guard ability is elite. This is the type of player Chris Paul couldn't' ever be.

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    They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to re-sign him b/c they have his Bird rights. His agent can play hard-ball knowing they are willing to overpay him for his services, that's basically what Tristan Thompson did since the Cavs were capped out.
    Also, I think we are discussing two different things. I know how bird rights work and their financial situation - when I say they can replace him, I'm referring strictly to quality of player/talent. But I think GS will have a lot of cap space next year with the jump anyways. They have all their main guys locked up for at least next year and a bunch of FA (lower end) next year.

    So if they wanted to shuffle up they could easily do so. I think they are only at 58M committed next year with Curry/Klay/Dray/Bogut/Iggy/Livingston/Thompson on the books

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    I have said it for a while but I will say it again which is Davis is a big in the mold of KG/Drob. Just like those two guys hes going to have a hard time leading a team to a le because he doesn't have back to the basket game like Duncan.
    Nobody said his game was like Tim, that was supposed to be Okafor. The Tim comparison is b/c of the fact they play the same position. Davis himself has side his game is more similar to KG & others have compared him to Admiral(Pop said that was too premature).

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    Such a joy to watch curry and green...just great players.

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    Curry does so many things right that its hard to believe he's just a point guard. He's on every play and on every area of the court. His scoring greatly overshadows his point guard ability and his point guard ability is elite. This is the type of player Chris Paul couldn't' ever be.
    He is elite no doubt about it and i prefer his style over CP3 cuz he dribbles less ...but despite some chokes some metrics have Paul as one of the goat pgs

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    Such a joy to watch curry and green...just great players.
    Absolutely not sure why folks hate on em ...

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    Why do people even care about the NBA when it's ours?

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    That is basically what I said ...^

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    Absolutely not sure why folks hate on em ...
    No one really hates curry...but green gets a lot of hate because of how he's rated in the media. He's a top 25 player in the league..I don't see how that's not obvious

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    Davis sodomized lol

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    Theres the obligatory "huh, who was that, Gee? Hmmm, he looks like he might be able to play"

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    Nobody said his game was like Tim, that was supposed to be Okafor. The Tim comparison is b/c of the fact they play the same position. Davis himself has side his game is more similar to KG & others have compared him to Admiral(Pop said that was too premature).
    Yeah I think its crazy how the media has set the narrative that Davis is the next Duncan due to playing the same position even though his game is nothing like Duncan. It's also crazier to hear some spur fans claim the same thing. You can tell those fans are bandwagon fans.

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