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This partisan thread has nothing on the Jimmer thread.... pick it up...
Agreed. Except I'd go to Spurs games.I certainly don't agree with a lot of stuff Obama does....
But, I would do the same exact thing if I was in his position.Mr. Prez
This partisan thread has nothing on the Jimmer thread.... pick it up...
I don't care about POTUS enjoying a bball game.
When I am president I'm moving the spurs to dc and giving San Antonio the stupid bullets team (they'd be called the bullets again bc Texas) that y'all deserve. I'd probably keep wall and let San Antonio keep Parker.
Obama promised to have our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan before his presidency ended. Approved troops in Afghan for another two years and now sending troops back to Iraq.
He should hire Brian Williams to be the White House lead correspondence.
That Jimmer thread is already legendary.
As an American who lives in Eastern Europe I can say I'm very disappointed with Obama's lack of support for Ukraine, and through him and Kerry, America has welshed on their agreement to defend Ukraine's territory. When the Soviet Union broke up America, concerned with nuclear proliferation ,asked Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons. Kiev did so, but with an agreement that both America and Russia would respect and defend Ukraine's territory. Obviously Russia has reneged on that agreement, but, thanks to Kerry and Obama so have we. Presently, Obama is pressuring Kiev to accept the Russian annexation of Crimea as permanent, and allow for autonomy of the eastern Ukrainian provinces that leave them puppets of Russia, and through those territories give Russia (and Putin) defacto representation in Ukraine's parliament. They, and the EU too, just want the situation to settle down. They care nothing about prior agreements or justice or the long term welfare of the country. We've been an awful ally to Ukraine. And Latvians ask me daily if they think NATO or the EU would do anything if Russia came into the Baltics. I'd like to think so, but with recent history, I suspect they wouldn't. NATO would collapse but Obama wants his legacy to be "peace" no matter the long term consequences.
Obama is a dithering amateur, but I still don't care about him seeing a bball game.
Sorry but there are lots of holes in this story. Americans are usually ignorant of what exactly happened so they might get confused. Let's start at the beginning:
- Ukraine's legit elected president decided not to join into an alliance with the EU. This triggered mass protests.
- The US and the West helped these defectors to stage a coup to remove the fairly elected president. They succeeded and installed an illegitimate unelected government. This triggered mass protests outside the capital especially in the Eastern regions of Ukraine where there are lots of Russian citizens.
- Violence erupted in those regions and the illegal unelected Ukranian government responded with force and mobilized their army
- Russia stepped in to protect their interests (Crimea military base) and their Russian citizens (millions live in Ukraine)
I also don't agree that US is bailing on Ukraine just yet. They just approved a $300 billion package to bolster the Ukranian military and economy. Are sending more army agents to Ukraine. And are moving their missiles to protect the illegitimate government.
What is really happening is the rest of Europe (especially Germany) don't want anything to do with this. US meddling in nations should not come at the cost of the rest of Europe. The EU is in bad shape, it's just not a good time to face Russia head on. And US is not going alone vs Russia in their backyard.
Plus winter is coming. Putin turns off the gas and Europe joins the ice age.
Oh one more thing. You gotta go by the McCain rule when events like this happens. Usually when John McCain is cheering for something and is involved, this usually means it's a bad for humanity.
McCain was the first to fly to Ukraine and prop up the Ukrainian coup:
Mccain in Lybia: (Note killed US Ambassador standing next to him)
MCcain in Syria:
Remember the McCain rule, if he's for it it's bad for humanity.
I'm ashamed to have voted for Obama
Let the man watch a game.
As a bulls fan he only has so many Bulls games he can enjoy before Rose has his yearly season ending injury.
LOL McCain
ACA doesn't set insurance, doctor, drug, health care prices, the insurance companies do. You don't have clue who is the culprit.$1610 per month in health insurance premiums to cover my family of 5. Where's the $2500 you promised, Obama?While Mic e (wearing Vera Wang) and her mother are flying all over the world on my dime.
btw, it was the Repugs who REGULATED that govt can't negotiate prices with BigPharma and BigMedicalDevice, so American pay 3x more than other countries.
btw, it was Repugs who created the insurance corporation welfare of Medicare Advantage, which costs taxpayers about 12% vs regular Advantage.
Your beloved neocon "regime changing", BigOil-enriching Repugs left Obama with two stinkin piles of toxic that the Repugs and the useless military couldn't handle.
I'm sure Obama and Dept of Defense are all ears to hear your suggestions how to stabilize the Middle East and Afghanistan.
There's nothing ignorant or wrong about my statements, my friend. I lived seven years in Ukraine (Kharkov) and was just in Eastern Ukraine for two months returning to Riga only 2 weeks ago, and have seen the situation personally as well as spoke with people on both sides regularly (though you can find very few on the pro-Russian side, they have less than 5% support nation wide. Even in the east it is less than 15%. You may disagree with me, but there is nothing ignorant in my views.
You are correct that Yanukovych, opposing an agreement that would lead Ukraine closer to the EU, vetoed a bill the majority of Ukrainians supported. (Most Ukrainians desire a path towards the European Union, and do not wish to remain in Russia's orbit.) The mass protests against him were genuine, and were not, as Russia's state-run media proclaimed, instigated by the CIA or similar American/Western groups. In fact, it was Putin who sent snipers to kill protesters. When things got out of control, Yanukovych fled to Russia (where he remains last I checked). These later "mass protests" in support of the ousted Yanukovych were works of fiction. I was there on the main square in Russian-speaking Kharkov 50 kilometers from the Russian border . We are taking about two dozen people protesting his ouster in a city of 1.5 million and an oblast of 2 million. Hardly mass, not when compared to the pro-Ukrainian groups who had supporters in the hundreds on that square. The "Ukrainian" man who turned out to be a Russian operative from St. Petersburg, climbed the city administrative building and planted a Russian flag. And, I like others, observed how these staged rallies of a couple dozen people were portrayed in the Russia media (which you can get on tv in Kharkov) as a "mass rally. It's a lie. It One that nobody actually in the fray believes. And few outside of Russia, or radically left groups believe.
The ease of which the Russian forces took Crimea, (primarily because the Obama administration told the Ukrainian forces to lay down their weapons) embolded Putin to send his little green men into the working-class regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, to seize administrative centers, and give the appearance of mass unrest. Then, like Hitler, he portrays his moves as effort to protect his ethnic kin. (When in fact he's has only managed to get many of them killed). Russia's goal is simply to destabilize the country, so it is impossible for them to move farther into the West's orbit. And he does this while disregarding what the vast majority of Ukrainian people want.
Attempting to blame the Ukrainian government when Russia is sending tanks and men across the border is ridiculous. They are simply defending their country. The Ukrainian on the street is still in shock that the Russians have made war on them. Most, could never imagine it would happen, though some of the older or better educated ones DO remember the mass starvation under Stalin in the 1930s.
Judging from the political views your signature implies, I'll probably not convince you and don't wish to derail the thread. If you want to continue this discussion please PM.
Last edited by BillMc; 10-28-2015 at 12:31 PM.
I have my issues with McCain, but he was right to be there and support the Ukrainians. I wish he'd done more.
I made the original post about Mic e's dresses and I'm a woman too - tee hee
Doesn't really matter - spending such enormous sums on clothes goes to a person's character - why not use half of that amount to make life easier for others.
Laura and Barbara Bush were much more frugal than Mic e when it comes to clothes - Agreed on Nancy Reagan who also spend a fortune on clothes. However, with Mic e's love of designer frocks and the need to wear something new every day, just goes to show where her real priorities lie. Even the Duchess is seen wearing some of the same clothes more than once (or several times).
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