APG of NBA Starting PGs

[spurraider21]

parker's usage rate is too low

[FkLA]

was his defense poor tonight? how did knicks guards do offensively? was his jumper bad today? i felt like he was knocking them down at a reasonable rate.

Most of his points were on drives/tear drops and backdoor cuts. Had maybe one midrange jumper IIRC. Still hasn't made a three all year and poses no threat as a shooter. His defense today wasn't a liability simply bc he was going up against the slowest starting PG in the league.

that usage argument is such bull ... he was bad last year and still had a usage rate north of 24%... he's at 17% this year because he has accepted smaller role

He has seemingly accepted a new role. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the ball in his hands a lot just that he's not going heroballer on us. Your trying to defend his poor APG by suggesting he doesn't have the ball in his hands often...and using usage rate as your reasoning which is just re ed.

[spurraider21]

Most of his points were on drives/tear drops and backdoor cuts. Had maybe one midrange jumper IIRC. Still hasn't made a three all year and poses no threat as a shooter. His defense today wasn't a liability today simply bc he was going up against the slowest starting PG in the league.

so what more did you want from him tonight?

He has seemingly accepted a new role. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the ball in his hands a lot just that he's not going heroballer on us. Your trying to defend his poor APG by suggesting he doesn't have the ball in his hands often...and using usage rate as your reasoning which is just re ed.

parker's usage drops by 7 the same season kawhi's increases by 8... and you want to claim parker doesn't have the ball less, but is in fact THAT much less effective than last year. lol

occams razor, tbh. parker has given up some control of the ball and kawhi has assumed more offensive responsibility

[FkLA]

so what more did you want from him tonight?

I haven't talked shot about tonight. He wasn't his usual terrible self today. Unfortunately, he only plays Calderon one more time this year.

parker's usage drops by 7 the same season kawhi's increases by 8... and you want to claim parker doesn't have the ball less, but is in fact THAT much less effective than last year. lol

occams razor, tbh. parker has given up some control of the ball and kawhi has assumed more offensive responsibility

Jesus just look at the formula for a second. You can claim he's playing within his limits (less FGAs) but you can't really say he doesn't have the ball often, that's not what the formula represents.

[spurraider21]

I haven't talked shot about tonight.

Took advantage of Calderon and scored well, did a good job of picking his spots. Didn't do much else aside from that.

^that's you talking about tonight, btw

He wasn't his usual terrible self today. Unfortunately, he only plays Calderon one more time this year.

so he played fine today. got it thanks. thats why i find it weird that u guys are still managing to whine about him tonight

Jesus just look at the formula for a second. You can claim he's playing within his limits (less FGAs and FTAs) but you can't really say he doesn't have the ball often, that's not what the formula represents.

do we have a stat that indicates how much he has the ball to support your claim? kawhi has clearly initiated more offense this year, and parker has initiated less. anybody who has watched the games would see that pretty easily

[SpursIndonesia]

Porky is actually doing his job. Handing the ball to Kawhi/LMA & getting out of their way. As long as he attacks switches keep the defense honest then he can be a decent game manager. Tim is basically the point-forward of the team b/c of the high-low.

Good observation, less usage, just taking care of the ball before it ends up in LMA, Kawow or TD hands, not forcing any shots, those should be sufficient for TP as a starting PG.

[MI21]

Just for fun, Kawhi's APG is ranked #32 amongst NBA small forwards.

[DocDoc]

Not an apologist, but remember this:

1. Sample size
2. Who cares - you're telling me you'd rather have Jarrett Jack than Parker just because his APG is all the way up at 8?
3. More ISO this year and more Leonard handling the ball

And this - http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...TIAL_AST&dir=1 - more potential assists vs. actual assists points to guys missing shots off his passes. Green's cold as we all know, etc.

Also PG's are scorers in the current setup - SG, PF, and Duncan delivering the second pass that is the assist.

[BillMc]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

Of course it does. And he's embracing it both on and off the court. Tony should be commended. He was All-NBA only 2 years ago, so it takes a lot of maturity to hand over the reigns. Very Robinson-esque.

[DarrinS]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

I thought he played well.

[Brazil]

krew showing their bias again... not even capable to just say gg Parker tonight and move one... smh

re thread after re thread

[jag]

I thought he played well.

That's because he did play well.

[Purch]

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That's the thing man. The original Parker v manu battles always revolved around this. People ed about Tony not having assists, which was dumb because as a scoring point guard he always brought points and the spurs offense always reduced assist numbers because of post play ave secondary passes. It's just dishonest to say Parker was not following instructions every year but possibly last year.

Fkla is an old manu fanatic, so I'll give him a pass, but this is all old old arguments being rehashed.

[Brazil]

This tread is re like OP tbh...

I can play this game too tbh...

filters: starters, forwards, AST/TOV, at least 1 assist during the season => 67 players

Kawhi is 63 in this list, only worst than him: Scola, Kristaps Porzingis, JaKarr Sampson, Nikola Mirotic

[Macca76]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

OP is one of the biggest Parker Haters on this forum (and that's to say something), TP could have 30 pts and 10 assists, he would about too many shots, not enough defense bla bla bla. I guess he blames TP for bad weather as well

[RD2191]

Fkla, what brand of truth flakes do you eat in the morning?

Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh

muh s

[Agloco]

Fkla, what brand of truth flakes do you eat in the morning?

Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh

muh s

krew needs to get a room tbh.

[pookenstein]

krew showing their bias again... not even capable to just say gg Parker tonight and move one... smh

re thread after re thread

Did you expect aything else?

[spurraider21]

Last year and all summer: parkers usage rate too high!
So far this year: parkers usage rare too low!

[BatManu20]

Meh that's a misleading stat tbh, as Parker's role this season has diminished considerably, and Aldridge has yet to really find his rhythm on his long jump shots, otherwise Parker would likely be averaging around five assists on those pick-n-pops alone.

With that said, seeing as how the Grizzlies are not a serious contender anymore imo, I really wish we could trade Tony for Mike Conley tbh. And throw Gasol in there. Those guys are going to rot away on that roster, sadly.

[spurraider21]

FkLA the fg% thread got locked so just want to repost the terms. O/u 45% field goals for the season, 100

[Russ]

1. Ricky Rubio - 11.0 apg
2. Chris Paul - 9.0 apg
3. Russell Westbrook - 8.7 apg
4. Damian Lillard - 8.3 apg
5. Mike Conley - 8.0 apg
Jarrett Jack - 8.0 apg
7. Deron Williams - 7.5 apg
8. Kyle Lowry - 7.3 apg
Steph Curry - 7.3 apg
Michael Carter-Williams - 7.3 apg
11. Rajon Rondo - 6.7 apg
John Wall - 6.7 apg
Ish Smith - 6.7 apg
14. Goran Dragic - 6.0 apg
15. Derrick Rose - 5.5 apg
16. Kemba Walker - 5.3 apg
Reggie Jackson - 5.3 apg
Elfrid Payton - 5.3 apg
Emmanuel Mudiay - 5.3 apg
20. Jeff Teague - 5.0 apg
Ty Lawson - 5.0 apg
Mo Williams - 5.0 apg
23. Eric Bledsoe - 4.3 apg
24. Monta Ellis - 4.0 apg
25. Marcus Smart - 3.7 apg
26. Raul Neto - 2.7 apg
Enrique Porker - 2.7 apg
28. Isaiah Cannan - 2.0 apg
29. Jose Calderon - 1.7 apg
D'Angelo Russell - 1.7 apg

All all the above except Parker = 2 les (combined).

Parker = 4 les.

[Raven]

d-bust such vision

[FkLA]

^that's you talking about tonight, btw


so he played fine today. got it thanks. thats why i find it weird that u guys are still managing to whine about him tonight


do we have a stat that indicates how much he has the ball to support your claim? kawhi has clearly initiated more offense this year, and parker has initiated less. anybody who has watched the games would see that pretty easily

Jesus christ I meant I haven't talked about tonight, as in criticized his performance vs NY. He brought more to the table than he normally does.

No, there isn't a stat like that. Likewise there isn't a stat to support your argument either. Usage rate doesn't represent what you think it represents. I don't think he has the ball in his hands so little that he should be averaging the same APG as Raul Neto.

FkLA the fg% thread got locked so just want to repost the terms. O/u 45% field goals for the season, 100

Why did it get locked this time?