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    EAT IT!!! Kawhitstorm's Avatar
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    Tammy s played with 2 first ballot hall of famers and all stars his entire career..Kobe did not..end of story case closed !!!!
    Please list me the number of players on the Spurs squad that made the All-Star team in 2002-03? Kobe missed the playoffs when Shaq abandoned him & couldn't win a series until MVPau fell onto his lap, end of story case closed !!!!

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    Please list me the number of players on the Spurs squad that made the All-Star team in 2002-03?


    Cherry pick a single season Kiwi s...Tammy s has played with two first ballot HOF'ers his entire career....even though Kobe Did on him in 2002 -2003

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    Dryer than Kunta's ankles Ashy Larry's Avatar
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    Again, Kobe could have averaged 50 against Antonio Daniels & it wouldn't matter b/c Tim/Kobe play different position. Muphucka couldn't carry role players to a le like Tim & wouldn't have made the playoffs if he had Tim's supporting cast from 2000-2002 let alone win a series. Tim sonned Kobe when he had PRIME Shaq TWICE.
    still doesn't negate the fact that he was carried in either series. Dude held his own.

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    Playing with Shaq and still being considered the greatest amongst older retired legends, your peers, and the new generation of players speaks volumes to be honest... your opinion is a fail opinion and a fail opinion is just a fail opinion...but you alright dude kiwi ....
    Except unbiased folks have said Tim is the best player of his generation including Magic, Kareem, Russell and now the entire media despite him giving the middle finger to the media his entire career.

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    still doesn't negate the fact that he was carried in either series. Dude held his own.
    Idiot, Kobe wouldn't have been able to play 1-on-1 if it wasn't for Shaq. Tony Parker won Finals MVP b/c he was playing alongside Tim/Manu & going up against Boobi Gibson. LeBron on the other hand was playing alongside Eric Snow, Big Z, Larry Hughes, Sideshow Bob & didn't look too hot while going up against Bowen. Are you going to tell me Parker held his own against LeBron?

    Put Ray Allen on that 2001 Lakers squad & dude would have been averaging 30 while shooting a cool 50%. People forget that Ray Allen outplayed Iverson in the ECF but Iverson had a more efficient Finals series than Kobe in 2001. It was poetic justice that Ray Allen sonned him in the 2008 championship clincher while Kobe was handed Finals MVP after a 6-24 shooting performance.
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    No one will even remember Jim. ... if it wasnt for him getting ed over for his loot he'd never be mentioned. Go over to nba.com and tell me who's trending. I bet you Kobe is and Jim is not.
    No one will remember Jim except his biggest fan Buddy Mignon

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    Except unbiased folks have said Tim is the best player of his generation including Magic, Kareem, Russell and now the entire media despite him giving the middle finger to the media his entire career.

    Show me where they said it..instead of lying through your gaping asshole

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    Show me where they said it..instead of lying through your gaping asshole
    -Magic: "We've already got him in the top-10. You can slide him up there anywhere you want to put him, because it's not just how – it's not just him winning five, but it's how he won five. It's the way he played the game, how he approached the game."

    -LeBron: “If I just look at the last 15 years, he’s probably been the most consistent, most dominant player that we’ve had as far as 15 years all together. He’s won five les, multiple All Stars, MVPs, and so on and so on."

    -Bill Russell: Tim Duncan 'Right Up There at the Top' Among All-Time Big Men

    -Kareem: “Tim Duncan,” Abdul-Jabbar said. “He’s very fundamental and every postseason his team is going a lot further than a lot of the other teams. They have a pretty good number of world championships. They keep riding Tim Duncan.”

    -Kobe Bryant: "I'm the 200th-best player"

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    Idiot, Kobe wouldn't have been able to play 1-on-1 if it wasn't for Shaq. Tony Parker won Finals MVP b/c he was playing alongside Tim/Manu & going up against Boobi Gibson. LeBron on the other hand was playing alongside Eric Snow, Big Z, Larry Hughes, Sideshow Bob & didn't look too hot while going up against Bowen. Are you going to tell me Parker held his own against LeBron?

    Put Ray Allen on that 2001 Lakers squad & dude would have been averaging 30 while shooting a cool 50%. People forget that Ray Allen outplayed Iverson in the ECF but Iverson had a more efficient Finals series than Kobe in 2001. It was poetic justice that Ray Allen sonned him in the 2008 championship clincher while Kobe was handed Finals MVP after a 6-24 shooting performance.

    lotta ifs ifs and ifs. If Shaq wasn't there. If ray was there. FACT is he held his own. IF you had more band aids, IDIOT, that pipe wouldn't still be bleeding and sore. It's ok. Use gauze.

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    lotta ifs ifs and ifs. If Shaq wasn't there. If ray was there. FACT is he held his own. IF you had more band aids, IDIOT, that pipe wouldn't still be bleeding and sore. It's ok. Use gauze.
    There are no "ifs" when it comes to Ray Allen outplaying Iverson in the ECF & Iverson outplaying Kobe in the 2001 Finals. Along w/ Ray Allen raining threes in Kobe's face in the 2008 Finals & Kobe throwing up bricks in the 2010 Finals. No "ifs" either when it comes to Kobe missing the postseason after Shaq left town & never winning a series until Pau arrived. No "ifs" when it comes to who was the best player on the the 3peat Lakers.. No "ifs' when it comes to Kobe shooting the Lakers out of the series against the same Pistons squad that Manu tore apart. You can take all of it to the bank!
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    Dryer than Kunta's ankles Ashy Larry's Avatar
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    There are no "ifs" when it comes to Ray Allen outplaying Iverson in the ECF & Iverson outplaying Kobe in the 2001 Finals. Along w/ Ray Allen raining threes in Kobe's face in the 2008 Finals & Kobe throwing up bricks in the 2010 Finals. No "ifs" either when it comes to Kobe missing the postseason after Shaq left town & Kobe never winning a series until Pau arrived. No "ifs" when it comes to who was the best player on the the 3peat Lakers.. You can take all of it to the bank!


    We we all know who was the best player on those three peat Lakers. There will never be nothing like an in shape and focused Shaquille O'Neal. And Paunwon many series without Bryant right? Just stock up on that gauze sir. Ya draws are leaking. Starting to sound like LG.

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    We we all know who was the best player on those three peat Lakers. There will never be nothing like an in shape and focused Shaquille O'Neal. And Paunwon many series without Bryant right? Just stock up on that gauze sir. Ya draws are leaking. Starting to sound like LG.
    Kobe won as many series as Pau did without Shaq & missed the postseason the same year Pau made it thus their solo career is just about the same. Meanwhile Tim sonned Mr. "Most Dominant Ever" Shaq in 99 & '03 when Shaq had the better supporting cast so I guess that means Tim must have been on a different stratosphere than Kobe

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    Kobe won as many series as Pau did without Shaq & missed the postseason the same year Pau made it thus their solo career is just about the same. Meanwhile Tim sonned Mr. "Most Dominant Ever" Shaq in 99 & '03 when Shaq had the better supporting cast so I guess that means Tim must have been on a different stratosphere than Kobe
    okay. I'll bite and play along. I'll do what you do best and make excuses i.e. Ant Daniels and old man Rob. Ahem.

    Well in 1999, they were, uh, uh led by Rambis or Harris and just traded for Rice who didn't know the offense. And, uh, uh, in 2003, they were uh, just tired from all those deep playoff runs. Uh. Uh. There. Which Laker sonned the Spurs in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2008? Or was it all on Old man Rob and Ant Daniels?
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    A fail attempt is just a fail attempt....ok Kiwi- s..... looks like your gaping asshole is still intact




    Except unbiased folks have said Tim is the best player of his generation including Magic, Kareem, Russell and now the entire media despite him giving the middle finger to the media his entire career.
    Show me where they said it..instead of lying through your gaping asshole
    -Magic: "We've already got him in the top-10. You can slide him up there anywhere you want to put him, because it's not just how – it's not just him winning five, but it's how he won five. It's the way he played the game, how he approached the game."

    -LeBron: “If I just look at the last 15 years, he’s probably been the most consistent, most dominant player that we’ve had as far as 15 years all together. He’s won five les, multiple All Stars, MVPs, and so on and so on."

    -Bill Russell: Tim Duncan 'Right Up There at the Top' Among All-Time Big Men

    -Kareem: “Tim Duncan,” Abdul-Jabbar said. “He’s very fundamental and every postseason his team is going a lot further than a lot of the other teams. They have a pretty good number of world championships. They keep riding Tim Duncan.”

    -Kobe Bryant: "I'm the 200th-best player"


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    And Kobe kept his money... Lol!!!

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    okay. I'll bite and play along. I'll do what you do best and make excuses i.e. Ant Daniels and old man Rob. Ahem.

    Well in 1999, they were, uh, uh led by Rambis or Harris and just traded for Rice who didn't know the offense. And, uh, uh, in 2003, they were uh, just tired from all those deep playoff runs. Uh. Uh. There. Which Laker sonned the Spurs in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2008? Or was it all on Old man Rob and Ant Daniels?
    Tim beat the Lakers BOTH times WITHOUT an All-NBA player on his way to winning the le. Kobe had PRIME Shaq BOTH times.

    -Again, Kobe would have been in the lotto w/ Tim's supporting cast from 2000-02; Fisher outplayed the Spurs backcourt all by himself in 2001 (Avery/Porter).
    -LoL at using All-Star Rice not being acclimated as the excuse for getting swept when Stephen Jackson was a training camp invitee & ended up being Tim's wingman in '03 after becoming a starter mid-season when Steve Smith got injured.
    -Antonio Daniels wasn't much better than Smush Parker & he is supposed to be Tim's wingman in the 2001 WCF.
    -In 2002, Tim was the best player in the series & lost only b/c 19 yr old Parker was his wingman.
    -In 2004, Tim went up against 4 HOFers without any all-stars: Rasho Nesterovic/Hedo
    -In 2008, Manu was injured & the rest of the supporting cast besides Tony were AARP status meanwhile Pau/Odom were in their primes

    -Remind me of when Kobe won a series without an All-NBA level wingman in their prime?............

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    Tim beat the Lakers BOTH time WITHOUT an All-NBA player on his way to winning the le. Kobe had PRIME Shaq BOTH time.

    -Again, Kobe would have been in the lotto w/ Tim's supporting cast from 2000-02; Fisher outplayed the Spurs backcourt all by himself in 2001 (Avery/Porter).
    -LoL at using All-Star Rice not being acclimated as the excuse for getting swept when Stephen Jackson was a training camp invitee & ended up being Tim's wingman in '03 after becoming a starter mid-season when Steve Smith got injured.
    -Antonio Daniels wasn't much better than Smush Parker & he is supposed to be Tim's wingman in the 2001 WCF.
    -In 2002, Tim was the best player in the series & lost only b/c 19 yr old Parker was his wingman.
    -In 2004, Tim went up against 4 HOFers without any all-stars: Rasho Nesterovic/Hedo
    -In 2008, Manu was injured & the rest of the supporting cast besides Tony were AARP status meanwhile Pau/Odom were in their primes

    -Remind me of when Kobe won a series without an All-NBA level wingman in their prime?............

    Yeah... Robinson, Parker, Manu, Jackson, Bowen were all scrubs. Go play with a bag of s, got.

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    Yeah... Robinson, Parker, Manu, Jackson, Bowen were all scrubs. Go play with a bag of s, got.
    Kobe missed the postseason w/ Butler/Odom so I'm pretty sure he would have won a le w/ washed up 37 yr old Robinson, 20 yr old Parker, rookie Manu playing on a badly sprained ankle, camp invitee Jackson & Bowen who couldn't make a layup in an empty gym. Tim only earned the highest win-share in a single postseason run in NBA history all b/c he had an awesome supporting cast in 2003.
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    What picks were Shaq, Pau and Odom?


    #50 was numero uno but what about Tony and Manu? With the next last pick in he draft, crees que el FO thought Manu was going to be what he is?
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    Tim beat the Lakers BOTH times WITHOUT an All-NBA player on his way to winning the le. Kobe had PRIME Shaq BOTH times.

    -Again, Kobe would have been in the lotto w/ Tim's supporting cast from 2000-02; Fisher outplayed the Spurs backcourt all by himself in 2001 (Avery/Porter).
    -LoL at using All-Star Rice not being acclimated as the excuse for getting swept when Stephen Jackson was a training camp invitee & ended up being Tim's wingman in '03 after becoming a starter mid-season when Steve Smith got injured.
    -Antonio Daniels wasn't much better than Smush Parker & he is supposed to be Tim's wingman in the 2001 WCF.
    -In 2002, Tim was the best player in the series & lost only b/c 19 yr old Parker was his wingman.
    -In 2004, Tim went up against 4 HOFers without any all-stars: Rasho Nesterovic/Hedo
    -In 2008, Manu was injured & the rest of the supporting cast besides Tony were AARP status meanwhile Pau/Odom were in their primes

    -Remind me of when Kobe won a series without an All-NBA level wingman in their prime?............
    first off, I guess you don't understand sarcasm. Second, Spurs never lost a series without an excuse. I get it.

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    first off, I guess you don't understand sarcasm. Second, Spurs never lost a series without an excuse. I get it.
    First, your sarcasm was based on false equivalences (muphucka out here comparing apples to orange). Second, Kobe never won a series without an All-NBA level wingman. The truth hurt, I get it.

    (Facts =! Excuses)

    Examples of facts: Injuries, ty supporting cast, father time, confirmed rigged officiating
    Examples of excuses: Lack of chemistry, being tired, lack of experience, distraction
    Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 11-12-2015 at 09:32 PM.

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    My inner child's hero is better than yours. Sure, neither would ever stop to say hi to us on the street before hurrying to their luxury car to be whisked away to some regal estate party, but still, my avatar > yours.

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    My inner child's hero is better than yours. Sure, neither would ever stop to say hi to us on the street before hurrying to their luxury car to be whisked away to some regal estate party, but still, my avatar > yours.
    I'm just in' w/ the Kobestans, I have never initiated a post worshiping a stranger but it sure is fun to get a rise out of grown men defending their hero.

    I'm an atheist, I've never worn a jersey w/ another man's name on it, never cared for anyone's autograph, I only care about the quality of the product (music/movies/clothes/shoe...etc) than the brand name or who made it & I didn't give 2 shyts about such things as superheros/Santa Clause as a child. If anything, I'm a contrarian.
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    Of course he had Shaquille but Bryant wasn't carried in either series against the Spurs. That was my point. He clearly held his own. Lightly remove the scab off that tickled balloon knot and relax. You're crying like the es who say Duncan was better in this era than Kobe on LG
    Against Steve smith and Antonio Daniels. Once the Spurs got Bowen, Kobe was contained.

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    Against Steve smith and Antonio Daniels. Once the Spurs got Bowen, Kobe was contained.
    agree there. Bryant got his points but Kung Fu Bruce made him work like . Actually a good dude off the floor.

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