Lakers: DAESH (ISIS) deliberately stains the image of Islam for Islamophobia's sake.

[Stalin]

Lmao Putin just said bomb the terrorists at the airport or at the toilet, wherever they are

[InTheCrust]

But when their suffering is openly mocked by millions who claim your religion, then the problem exists in YOUR community, the Muslim community.

I was dawdling around in these posts, but this specifically stood out to me (nothing else did tbh). I'm a Muslim myself, and this is what pisses me off the most of the Muslim masses; the ignorance is unbelievable. And it's only going to get worse, tbh.

It could be combatted from within the community, but that's going to take a Herculean effort at least. It comes through education. The stuff Ghazi is spewing is mostly conspiracy theorist nonsense, and I largely do not trust his basic understanding of Islam, but I agree with him that there is a lack of understanding both inside and outside. Exactly what is correct is always going to be a point of contention, no matter what.

Islam does have sects and denominations, contrary to what some others in this thread have said. But their divisions haven't reached the epic, theological mess that Christianity is in (yet). For now, the best that Muslims who have not deviated to extremist ideologies is educate internally from a basic understanding of Islam. That's what's missing in most of these people's lives, even the disheveled and disenfranchised soldiers who have been brainwashed. Then the misunderstood excerpts can be addressed.

Now let me go back to my hoops, I'm done with this.

[Ghazi]

I understand Islam as it ought to be understood: a code and way of life and ethics to raise ones moral integrity.

[DMC]

I understand Islam as it ought to be understood: a code and way of life and ethics to raise ones moral integrity.

And pay for handjobs from s and hookers.

[Ghazi]

bringing up stuff from nearly a decade ago.

[apalisoc_9]

bringing up stuff from nearly a decade ago.

Why are you suddenly supportive of Islam teaching? I swear in your peak, you disliked Islam. Pretty remarkable how a religion full of negative attention still is growing at a ridiculos rate.

Im worried about you though? What changed you?

[Ghazi]

All the anti-Islam propaganda on TV, and fake ass Muslims (DAESH, Wahhabist Saudi Arabia) , and all the anti-Islam and anti-Muhammad websites which doctor hadiths and misinterpret and slander the verses of teh Quran just fr their agenda caused me to do a thorough investigation on authentic Islamic sources to reach the truth. I have read the Quran and understand it completely. Only an IDIOT can read that book and go out and do some of the things DAESH does.

I've read even DAESH magazine. DABIQ... it is nonsense the filth they spew on there, an apocalyptic vision of Muslims v the West even though the WEST IS THE ONES SUPPLYING THEM. DAESH is not even stronger than the Syrian Army yet acts like its up against the world... these guys have no religious or spiritual aspect to them, it's just a political militant group funded by the West and the Arabs to undermine Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and Russia.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I read an English copy of the Qu'ran at a Barnes & Noble's when I was 13.

The main things that pisses me off about Islam are its avid support of polygamy and the kind of man that Muhammad was... if he was this great guy who led by rhetoric instead of by violence, who married and stayed faithful to one woman rather than taking underage girls as brides, who preached marital fidelity and strict monogamy, as well as peace and harmony between all religions and cultures... I'd probably have considered converting to Islam. (Other than the fact I think it's ridiculous to believe in and pray not once but FIVE times every single day to a fake creative guy in the sky.)

[Ghazi]

Muhammad was monogamous toward Khadijah. Aisha was not underage as anti-Islam sites like to claim and Muhammad was by no means violent even though he had some military campaigns against warmongering Arab tribes and treacherous Arab Jews.

[Buddy Mignon]

I read an English copy of the Qu'ran at a Barnes & Noble's when I was 13.

The main things that pisses me off about Islam are its avid support of polygamy and the kind of man that Muhammad was... if he was this great guy who led by rhetoric instead of by violence, who married and stayed faithful to one woman rather than taking underage girls as brides, who preached marital fidelity and strict monogamy, as well as peace and harmony between all religions and cultures... I'd probably have considered converting to Islam. (Other than the fact I think it's ridiculous to believe in and pray not once but FIVE times every single day to a fake creative guy in the sky.)

I was chasing pussy at 13...

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Hey Ghazi what is the punishment for leaving Islam in Iran?

[Buddy Mignon]

I read an English copy of the Qu'ran at a Barnes & Noble's when I was 13.

The main things that pisses me off about Islam are its avid support of polygamy and the kind of man that Muhammad was... if he was this great guy who led by rhetoric instead of by violence, who married and stayed faithful to one woman rather than taking underage girls as brides, who preached marital fidelity and strict monogamy, as well as peace and harmony between all religions and cultures... I'd probably have considered converting to Islam. (Other than the fact I think it's ridiculous to believe in and pray not once but FIVE times every single day to a fake creative guy in the sky.)

Polygamy didn't start with Islam, but Muslims have done a decent job trying to address the natural occurrence of the female being the default sex. How would you address the imbalance of male/female birth rate?

[Ghazi]

The reason apostasy was punishable by death back then was because Muhammad and his followers were not only a spiritual brothers, but also a political/military force as well. Apostasy back then essentially applied treason, which has severe punishments everywhere in the world today. Regarding polygamy, it was far from uncommon during tribal Arabia back then and many other cultures. but Quran says if you cannot treat multiple wives equally then stick to one..

[Ghazi]

Its as if people think Islam tells women to stay at home and bear children, that simply is not the case. Nothing in the Quran subjugated women to this. It should be known globally up until this century women were viewed as "babymakers" due to thr low life expectancy. Essentially women were groomed from motherhood at an earlier age. Times have changed. The misogyny evident in parts of the Islamic world is not reflective of Islam in its pure form

[Ghazi]

Some will point to inheritance laws laid out in Quran where women would get half what men get.. again this is due to the structure of tribal Arabia at the time where men were the primary breadmakers, and had to pay dowries in order to get married anyway.

[DJR210]

Muslims.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Polygamy didn't start with Islam, but Muslims have done a decent job trying to address the natural occurrence of the female being the default sex. How would you address the imbalance of male/female birth rate?

WTF? It's 50/50 bro

[apalisoc_9]

The reason apostasy was punishable by death back then was because Muhammad and his followers were not only a spiritual brothers, but also a political/military force as well. Apostasy back then essentially applied treason, which has severe punishments everywhere in the world today. Regarding polygamy, it was far from uncommon during tribal Arabia back then and many other cultures. but Quran says if you cannot treat multiple wives equally then stick to one..

That's still a sharia practice. Apostasy is still punishable by death.

POLYGAMY is allowed in Islam but discourgaed. Unless you are a high level caliber individual, islam says to stay away from it...but we know this is exploited by the rich al sauds.

[Ghazi]

Its like impossible to legitimately try someone for apostasy. daesh has killed some with charges of apostasy but theyre just s bags and dont do proper trial and jury. Its moot.

[Blue Duck]

Look ghazi, this thread just keeps going, and it's evident that your only intention is to explain your knowledge of this text to increase awareness, and that's commendable. I can respect that. If I misjudged your thread initially, it's due only to the empathy I felt toward the victims and the anger over much of the mocking of then that occurred subsequent to the attack, by the Muslim community. However, I do have a question, and it is a serious one. According to your interpretation, Islam is peaceful and sublime, however, the founders and leaders of these groups such as ISIS, AL Queda, Hamas, etc interpret the Koran very differently, and many of then have devoted their entire lives to studying this religion and earning various advanced degrees in religious studies. How can any of us really claim to know more about this religion than these men; those who advocate violence and brutality citing the Koran, which they have examined and studied for years, as the source of their inspiration? This question is not meant to insight, the question is valid, it is not an ignorant question and deserves an honest answer.

[apalisoc_9]

Its like impossible to legitimately try someone for apostasy. daesh has killed some with charges of apostasy but theyre just s bags and dont do proper trial and jury. Its moot.

Pretty sure deah declares apostacy to shias and even sunni who disagree with them. This is evident with all the bombing agaist shias and with the burning of the jordanian pilot.

The blame is on the idiots who join them though. Mostly people filled with emotions and idiots. I dont doubt that Israel benefits heavily from having ISIS in the middle east though.

[apalisoc_9]

Look ghazi, this thread just keeps going, and it's evident that your only intention is to explain your knowledge of this text to increase awareness, and that's commendable. I can respect that. If I misjudged your thread initially, it's due only to the empathy I felt toward the victims and the anger over much of the mocking of then that occurred subsequent to the attack, by the Muslim community. However, I do have a question, and it is a serious one. According to your interpretation, Islam is peaceful and sublime, however, the founders and leaders of these groups such as ISIS, AL Queda, Hamas, etc interpret the Koran very differently, and many of then have devoted their entire lives to studying this religion and earning various advanced degrees in religious studies. How can any of us really claim to know more about this religion than these men; those who advocate violence and brutality citing the Koran, which they have examined and studied for years, as the source of their inspiration? This question is not meant to insight, the question is valid, it is not an ignorant question and deserves an honest answer.

Very basic understanding. Both shias and sunni rely on respected scholars to make fatwas. Both Sunni and Shia Scholars consider them unislamic. These groups have legit no respected scholar supporting them. Zero.

The media wont tell you that though.

What the west needs to do is increase their civilian monitoring. The government hardly does anything to combat all the isis radicalization that is happening online.

[Ghazi]

Osama Bin Laden and Abu BAkr al Baghdadi are religious experts? That's news to me. These type of "experts" use an extremely loose/fraudulent interpretation of Islam for their own/political agendas. It's political militant Islam. Western governments have a say in the rise of Daesh, the CIA and Pakistani Intelligence created Al Quada, and the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia have been accused of doctoring hadiths (Prophetic Traditions) to justify their sharia/other policies. In any religion, ignorance and greed is going to corrupt some school of thoughts. The same is true in politics as well, where you have otherwise intelligent men either flat out lying or having ridiculous takes

[illmatic]

Its like impossible to legitimately try someone for apostasy. daesh has killed some with charges of apostasy but theyre just s bags and dont do proper trial and jury. Its moot.

it's not illegitimate to try a for committing adultery and stoning her to death in your that you call a religion. islam.

[Ghazi]

So adultery is a good thing? Back then adultert was a huge deal when these laws were revealed. in tribal Arabia especially..adultery was punishable by stoning in The Torah as well.