Who is More Important to His Team: Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard?

[rasuo214]

Without Kawhi Spurs are much worst team but still > .500 team... are you saying without Kawhi Spurs miss the POs ? it never happened under Duncan's era before and after Kawhi. We made the POs with RMJ, centerpiece and ing RJ. Stats about team being 8-8 and 9-9 without him are misleading as pointed out by Chinook as I've seen next page, not counting the fact without Kawhi there is a roster spot to fill.

Depends on the type of discussion we're having, if it's Kawhi left the team and the Spurs replaced him or Kawhi suffered a serious injury during the season where the team didn't have a chance to adequately replace him. There's a big difference between the 2 scenarios. I think Kawhi was crucial last season, Parker was a s of his former self, Manu wasn't playing very well, and that's a lot to ask from TD. Plus you add that other guys were having subpar seasons. Difference between then and pre-Kawhi is that Parker was still in his prime and Manu and TD were 5+ years younger. 33 yr old Manu averaged 17 ppg and 30 mpg (in 80 games), do you really think 38 yr old Manu could do that without suffering an injury?

Now with LMA they could probably ride him if something happened to Kawhi, you also add that Parker and Manu are playing much better than last season and Kyle Anderson would probably be a decent fill in.

[dabom]

Reading your post I think we overall agree tbh

Kawhi is clearly the one who put the Spurs in the contender list but this roster leaded by Tim with a capabe dude at SF position would be enough to get a PO spot and a win record > .500.

Forgot about that side of the equation. Spurs could hit 50 if that's the case.

[SAGirl]

Do you see the irony in this post? I don't think I've ever come across a dabom post that needed to be critiqued .

I completely just ignore him. There is nothing worth reading he has to share, and he doesn't even merit a response. Chinook here is being a class act bothering with this guy.

[dabom]

Three people viewing the think tank as we speak on a game night, but I'm criticized for not posting there.

I'm done.

[100%duncan]

wut ?

and Bulls without Buttler are what then ?

dumb statement backed up by nothing

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9-9, 8-8 records? Are you making the playoffs with a barely .500 record in 34 games? Imagine if that were 82 games.

You make the playoffs in the east below .500.

Mad

[Arcadian]

Idk who's more valuable to his team (which is inherently difficult to evaluate due to the number of variables involved), but Kawhi is without doubt the superior player... If you really think Butler is better, you can go yourself.

You might be able to make a case for Butler today (I don't think so, but maybe some idiots would)...but in a few years, you will be universally laughed at for saying something like that.

[100%duncan]

The fact that the spurs looked so done before kawhi came into the league should speak volumes

[ElNono]

Wouldn't Butler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green be a better comparison? Is there anything Green can do better than Butler? I mean, Green will always be arguably the greatest shooter in NBA playoff history from a historical perspective (2 years) but Butler is by far the better all around player.

Possibly, but IIRC, Butler also suffer from dropoffs in his numbers in the postseason... don't remember last season, but definitely in prior playoffs... Danny can get ride his hot hand even in the postseason...

[Arcadian]

[Brazil]

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9-9, 8-8 records? Are you making the playoffs with a barely .500 record in 34 games? Imagine if that were 82 games.

You make the playoffs in the east below .500.

Mad

you should read the posts above to understand these numbers are quite misleading taking out of context for once, for two you are pretty stupid if you don't believe this roster is not a > .500 team without Kawhi but a just capable SF that would fill the roster spot.

Then it is pretty obvious Bulls are more dependent right now of Butler as they have a ty overall roster and a rookie of a coach.

but yeah go ahead with your cute Mad

[100%duncan]

you should read the posts above to understand these numbers are quite misleading taking out of context for once, for two you are pretty stupid if you don't believe this roster is not a > .500 team without Kawhi but a just capable SF that would fill the roster spot.

Then it is pretty obvious Bulls are more dependent right now of Butler as they have a ty overall roster and a rookie of a coach.

but yeah go ahead with your cute Mad

Why are you so mad? Calling me stupid and all, seems like you really are agitated right now tbh.

1. It is indeed taken out of context since a going .500 for just 34 games is really incomparable vs an 82 game season. The chances are the Spurs would have a worse record in a longer stretch of time. And there would be no capable sf who could handle 30+ mins in our roster right now.

2. Because of 1, Spurs don't make the playoffs in the west.

3. Well that is relative because Bulls play in the east, and for sure will make the playoffs even if Butler is out.

I don't have a problem if you wanna force that butler is more valuable than kawhi tbh but stating it's dumb to say otherwise is, well, dumb when you look at the numbers and the difference in the compe ion in the conferences.

[Brazil]

Why are you so mad? Calling me stupid and all, seems like you really are agitated right now tbh.

1. It is indeed taken out of context since a going .500 for just 34 games is really incomparable vs an 82 game season. The chances are the Spurs would have a worse record in a longer stretch of time. And there would be no capable sf who could handle 30+ mins in our roster right now.

2. Because of 1, Spurs don't make the playoffs in the west.

3. Well that is relative because Bulls play in the east, and for sure will make the playoffs even if Butler is out.

I don't have a problem if you wanna force that butler is more valuable than kawhi tbh but stating it's dumb to say otherwise is, well, dumb when you look at the numbers and the difference in the compe ion in the conferences.

I guess you've read nothing of this thread tbh

Where did you see I'm mad ? Am I hurting your feelings with my you are pretty stupid... sorry brah it's so offensive

1. on this 34 games there are a good stretch of games with pieces of the roster also missing, again learn to read. If Kawhi had to miss 82 games, Spurs would obviously adapt roster and get a capable, decent, average whatever SF.

2. answered

3. it is to be seen but point is they are more dependent of his level of play

I never said Butler is more valuable as a whole, thread is more important to his team but go ahead with mixing things up

[100%duncan]

I guess you've read nothing of this thread tbh

Where did you see I'm mad ? Am I hurting your feelings with my you are pretty stupid... sorry brah it's so offensive

1. on this 34 games there are a good stretch of games with pieces of the roster also missing, again learn to read. If Kawhi had to miss 82 games, Spurs would obviously adapt roster and get a capable, decent, average whatever SF.

2. answered

3. it is to be seen but point is they are more dependent of his level of play

I never said Butler is more valuable as a whole, thread is more important to his team but go ahead with mixing things up

I've never mixed anything up if you have common sense what I was saying is i have no problem if anyone thinks butler is more valuable to his team than kawhi to the spurs, because that is the question of the thread

[Brazil]

I've never mixed anything up if you have common sense what I was saying is i have no problem if anyone thinks butler is more valuable to his team than kawhi to the spurs, because that is the question of the thread

your capitulation is duly noted

carry on tbh...

[100%duncan]

your capitulation is duly noted

carry on tbh...

[Raven]

butler is in a different league, Kawhi is in a league on his own right now.

[Spurtacular]

Comparing a top 6 player in the league to a top 15. Can the op be anymore dumber?

Can you be dumber? Your subjective ranking has nothing to do with who is more important to his team....

[Spurtacular]

Comparing a top 6 player in the league to a top 15. Can the op be anymore dumber?

Who are the five players you are ranking ahead of Kawhi?

[Aztecfan03]

Spurs were 9-9 w/o Kawhi last season, 8-8 w/o Kawhi the previous season. So, yes.

Those teams didn't include LMA and also had other injured players besides Kawhi.

[Aztecfan03]

Maybe you should try to make game assessments and not just after the fact.

What the does this even mean? Game assessments are inherently "after the fact"

[dabom]

What the does this even mean? Game assessments are inherently "after the fact"

Suck got. Go back to your poverty school.

[Aztecfan03]

Suck got. Go back to your poverty school.

You do enough of that for this whole forum.

[dabom]

You do enough of that for this whole forum.

Don't bump dead got.

[Calispursfan11]

All this Kawhi-worship and I am still not convinced that the Spurs as currently constructed would be that bad without Kawhi. Sure, we wouldn't be le contenders but we would make the playoffs. This team is DEEP. Without Jimmy Butler, the bulls are left with a double vision injury prone "has been" to lead them along with a bunch of OK players. Mirotic is terrible btw. Have you seen how that guy flops? Noah can't' score a bucket to save his life and Pau is washed up. He still grunts and screams a lot under the basket but you see him miss a lot of bunnies and 15 footers he used to make. Yeah, Jimmy Butler is more important to his team right now, especially with Kirk Hinrich being the second best (or at least most skilled player) on the team.

[Calispursfan11]

This fool is always falling on the floor.



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