Active shooter San Bernardino, CA

[TheSanityAnnex]

What if Syed Farooq was on the list but had no known ties to terrorist groups because of the same lack of information we have for Syrian refugees?

What got him on the list in your hypothetical?

[NASpurs]

[Th'Pusher]

im going to out devastate you. What if the guns were purchased during fast and the furious like the Garland, TX shooter?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...801-story.html

Um..that's not devastating. Let's just say the guy was a home grown, lone wolf, American radicalized Muslim terrorist who armed himself to the teeth legally. That wouldn't be good news for the NRA.

[Pelicans78]

Syed Farook sounds like a name among Pakistanis/Indian Muslims.

[lefty]

Piers Morgan is a huge ing got.

well he is an Arsenal fan

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not in a gun show, they don't, AFAIK... at least in most states

Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.

That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

I'm all for no guns for those on that list if they can clean it up and eliminate 350,000 people with no ties to any known terrorist groups.

Why aren't you for no Muslims being allowed in this country at all? What exactly do Muslims provide this country with that you would miss?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Um..that's not devastating. Let's just say the guy was a home grown, lone wolf, American radicalized Muslim terrorist who armed himself to the teeth legally. That wouldn't be good news for the NRA.

Why would that be bad for the NRA if he armed himself legally?

[mingus]

So the dude appears to be Muslim, or at least an Arab.

At glance it might seem appropriate & easy to connect that to Fundamentalism, but I believe given what I stated before that it will prove to be not what it appears to be at a glance. Why he/they shot that particular place up will reveal itself as we know more, but I don't believe the line of reasoning in this thread by some because it has no precedent. Terrorist acts are never at random places. They're either in high traffic places (ie Paris) and/or specifically targeted places (ie synagogue, Charlie headquarters).

[Th'Pusher]

Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.

That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.

So they can come over on a tourist visa and arm themselves via private gun sale from their american compatriots legally. Nice.

[spurraider21]

From the information we have (which is clearly fluid), I don't see any sort of religious motivation making sense yet.

[ElNono]

Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.

That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.

You asked if they can, and the answer is yes. Look, it's the law.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/sa...-laws-map.html

Most states do not require the background checks. As such, you can legally buy a weapon without the ID.

I think it's perfectly fine that some sellers might go out of their way and do background checks before selling, but they're not obligated to.

[Th'Pusher]

From the information we have (which is clearly fluid), I don't see any sort of religious motivation making sense yet.

Fair and balanced checking in to appear not to be a cop sucking conservative

[spurraider21]

Fair and balanced checking in to appear not to be a cop sucking conservative

i call things as i see it. i'm sorry that's problematic for you.

[Th'Pusher]

i call things as i see it. i'm sorry that's problematic for you.

Right. Fair and balanced

[TheSanityAnnex]

So they can come over on a tourist visa and arm themselves via private gun sale from their american compatriots legally. Nice.

Your plan on how to stop that?

[spurraider21]

Right. Fair and balanced

[TheSanityAnnex]

So the dude appears to be Muslim, or at least an Arab.

At glance it might seem appropriate & easy to connect that to Fundamentalism, but I believe given what I stated before that it will prove to be not what it appears to be at a glance. Why he/they shot that particular place up will reveal itself as we know more, but I don't believe the line of reasoning in this thread by some because it has no precedent. Terrorist acts are never at random places. They're either in high traffic places (ie Paris) and/or specifically targeted places (ie synagogue, Charlie headquarters).

Where do I get my copy of the Terrorist rules and regulations?

[Clipper Nation]

This is radical Islamic terrorism on our soil... period, end of story.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gun shows aren't the Wild West you think they are.

You asked if they can, and the answer is yes. Look, it's the law.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/sa...-laws-map.html

Most states do not require the background checks. As such, you can legally buy a weapon without the ID.

I think it's perfectly fine that some sellers might go out of their way and do background checks before selling, but they're not obligated to.

Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law.

[Th'Pusher]

Your plan on how to stop that?

Tighten up tourist visas. Require private sales of firearms to pass b/g checks.

[Th'Pusher]

Gun shows aren't the Wild West you think they are.
Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law.

Why should it be option. Require it by law.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't have a Facebook anymore, any of you s still on there check to see if he had a Facebook page and if so has it been wiped clean?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why should it be option. Require it by law.

I'd be fine with that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

• Tighten up tourist visas. Require private sales of firearms to pass b/g checks.

I agree with both. ETA: private sales here in CA already require background check