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    Islam is a ed up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid .
    What if they're not from Syria? Should we ask every refugee or immigrant what their religion is before we let them move here?

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    What if they're not from Syria? Should we ask every refugee or immigrant what their religion is before we let them move here?
    True, the wife was a legal immigrant from Pakistan via Saudi Arabia.

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    I understand the knee jerk fear when this happens but halting the migration of Syrian refugees to keep Islamic extremists out of the country is like building a 2 mile wall along the border of Mexico. The focus on that specific group is so myopic.

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    We're just lucky most people who do this stuff are pretty stupid about it.
    Very true. A few more IQ points and the body count could have easily tripled.

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    and the NRA and gun industry licking their chops over hugely increased profits for every mass slaugher they enable

    How mass shootings profit gun makers and fuel America's addiction to guns

    Black Friday has become a gun buyer’s bonanza as marked by FBI records of processed background checks, which serve as a rough indicator of gun sales activity. Last year, the FBI processed about 176,000 background checks on Black Friday. This year, checks on Black Friday were up five percent from last year to a record 185,345, according to the New York Times. Background checks do not exactly measure gun sales, since not all people who get checks purchase guns and since once checked, buyers can purchase multiple guns. However, if only one in every ten background checks resulted in a single gun purchase or more, America sold more guns than there were children born on that day.

    The other notable news about Black Friday: the mass shooting at Planned Parenthood, where Robert Lewis Dear killed three people and wounded nine others.


    It is hard to establish correlation, especially given how much other climate factors over the past year could contribute as well, but the relationship between the Planned Parenthood shootings and gun sales is not coincidental, either. This year saw the biggest June gun sales ever. That month was marked by Dylann Roof’s deadly rampage through Emanuel AME Church, killing nine black Americans in an effort to start a race war. The last daily record for background checks came shortly after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut. The AP reports:

    The previous record for the most background checks in a single day was Dec. 21, 2012, about a week after 20 children and six adults were shot to death in a Connecticut elementary school. The week following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary saw the processing of 953,613 gun background checks.


    After the Colorado shootings, President Barack Obama once again called for stricter limits on the availability of guns.

    These numbers are staggering, and reports from gun manufacturers indicate that mass shootings like yesterday’s San Bernardino, California and Savannah, Georgia shootings are not just blips in the market, but regular and predictable sales-driving occurrences for guns.



    The Intercept, in a review of investor statements from gun manufacturers and related companies, found that Sandy Hook and other mass shootings brought new gun buyers into the fold at high rates, both from fear of new gun legislation and from fear of attacks. The Intercept reports:

    “The gun business was very much accelerated based on what happened after the election and then the tragedy that happened at Sandy Hook,” Ed Stack, the chief executive of ’s Sporting Goods, a leading gun and ammunition retailer, said in September 2014 at the Goldman Sachs Global Retailing Conference. Stack noted that the industry saw “panic buying” when customers “thought there were going to be some very meaningful changes in our gun” laws. The new sales “didn’t bring hunters in” but rather “brought shooters into the industry,” he added.

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    Last year, Tommy Millner, the chief executive of Cabela’s, a retailer that sells guns, boasted at an investor conference in Nebraska that his company made a “conscious decision” to stock additional weapons merchandise before the 2012 election, hoping Obama’s reelection would result in increased sales. After the election, the Newtown mass shooting happened, and “the business went vertical … I meant it just went crazy,” Millner said, according to a transcript of the event. Describing the “tailwinds of profitability,” Millner noted Cabela’s “didn’t blink as others did to stop selling AR-15 platform guns” and so his company “got a lot of new customers.” The AR-15 is a high-powered assault rifle based on the military’s M-16 model but without the full automatic capacity,

    Steve Miller, the chief executive of Big 5 Sporting Goods, another gun retailer, was asked by investor analysts in 2013 to describe the state of the market during a conference call that year.

    The “real surge” in firearm sales, Miller said, “took place following the tragedy in Sandy Hook.”

    Each of these surges occurs in the wake of not only attacks, but
    at the slightest provocation of anyone saying anything about gun control or reform. After each of the aforementioned attacks, President Obama was criticized by the rabid National Rifle Association and their base of paid praying politicians for even daring to consider any alternative to arming every adult and child. The NRA then in turn stokes angst about gun control and fear of attacks into calls for more people to buy guns.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...28Daily+Kos%29

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    I just picture BB in CA with people he cares about and understandably being concerned. The guy wasn't an immigrant from Syria. At the end of the day the Cons ution is what it is.

    I think the refugees should still be handled on a case by case basis.

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    I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that. For terra attacks, they're still rare so I continue to not prepare to be attacked by a terrorist. If they kill me, you all can call scoreboard.

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    Very true. A few more IQ points and the body count could have easily tripled.
    no doubt. I hope it doesn't get to the point where ISIS would actually pay big $ to some white Americans to plan and set up something more devastating.

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    I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that. For terra attacks, they're still rare so I continue to not prepare to be attacked by a terrorist. If they kill me, you all can call scoreboard.
    Avoidable medical errors kill about 100K / year.

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    The problem is religion. Addressing it directly is sort of written out of our cons ution.

    Most of the historical solutions to such problems here are remembered as pogroms, detentions, and forced migrations. Overseas its been much worse.

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    Avoidable medical errors kill about 100K / year.
    oh, that's just BigPharma and BigCorp messing with human Americans

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    The problem is religion.
    false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism ( ing craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

    USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.

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    false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism ( ing craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

    USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.
    so one of the most powerful figures in the religious world said religion isn't a problem? shocker

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    so one of the most powerful figures in the religious world said religion isn't a problem? shocker
    you can't read any better than you can think.

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    I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that.
    What would you propose?

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    you can't read any better than you can think.
    i can read just fine. the pope is saying religion ins't a problem, but people who take religion too far are the problem

    and i'm sure the head of the NRA says guns aren't a problem, but people who take guns too far are the problem

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    false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism ( ing craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

    USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.
    your splitting hairs and invoking the pope as authority is hilarious.

    All are equally ty including the one you follow. I respect your right to believe whatever stupidity you want but that doesn't give you a pass. For one who spams so much left wing stuff you sure do know who number one is. Your blinders all center around your ego.

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    your splitting hairs and invoking the pope as authority is hilarious.

    All are equally ty including the one you follow. I respect your right to believe whatever stupidity you want but that doesn't give you a pass. For one who spams so much left wing stuff you sure do know who number one is. Your blinders all center around your ego.
    Dear Fuzzy HurtButt, I didn't say the Pope was an authority, only saying what he said, which is accurate about religious fundamentalism, in all religions, is the problem.

    oh, and you are so full of , GFY

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    What would you propose?
    I propose nothing. Seems to be working just fine for me.

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    I propose nothing. Seems to be working just fine for me.
    Why do you propose stricter gun laws? Current ones are working just fine for you. Or have you been shot lately?

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    Why do you propose stricter gun laws?
    Do I?

    Which one did I propose?

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    Why do you propose stricter gun laws? Current ones are working just fine for you. Or have you been shot lately?

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    Do I?

    Which one did I propose?
    You don't think we need to change our gun laws? I must have been mistaken then.

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    You don't think we need to change our gun laws? I must have been mistaken then.
    Which stricter gun law did I propose?

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