OT: Duncan vs Kobe: Greatest Player of Their Generation? Thread

[Killakobe81]

Yes, for Simmons. And yes, Simmons did well, I just hate anytime someone lists "will to win" as an attribute. It's such an esoteric thing and can be captured by a lot of other factors.

OF course you cant judge that, but certain guys you can sense or feel it from. For example look at Tim's interview after the won the West ... right before the Spurs kicked the Heat's ass in 2014. You could tell duncan wasnt going to let "6" happen again. Did you see it? if you did that was what Simmons was talking about ...some player have it. Timmy, Jordan Kobe some don't Malone, Ewing David.

[Killakobe81]

Here is the quote:

After the Spurs outlasted the Thunder 112-107 in overtime in Game 6 on Saturday to win the Western Conference le, Duncan was asked about playing for the championship against the Heat for the second year in a row.

“We have four more [games] to win,” the Spurs' big man told TNT's David Aldridge. “We’ll do it this time.”

[Cry Havoc]

OF course you cant judge that, but certain guys you can sense or feel it from. For example look at Tim's interview after the won the West ... right before the Spurs kicked the Heat's ass in 2014. You could tell duncan wasnt going to let "6" happen again. Did you see it? if you did that was what Simmons was talking about ...some player have it. Timmy, Jordan Kobe some don't Malone, Ewing David.

It's really easy to retroactively apply this. Simmons thinks Durant has "it". I don't think "it" exists. Do you think Durant has that "will to win"?

[Brazil]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ckdraft/070627

thanks for the quote

holy Simmons just made another asshole to Chad without even asking permission tnh

[Killakobe81]

It's really easy to retroactively apply this. Simmons thinks Durant has "it". I don't think "it" exists. Do you think Durant has that "will to win"?

IDK I never said that. I think so but starting to have my doubts. He is a maybe. But you have watched Tim a long time ... you did not see "it" when he was a rookie? I did.

[Raven]

it's really Duncan vs Ginobili.

[baseline bum]

GTFO!! Are you serious he is a bigger dumbass than I thought ...

Every ing day. ducks used to post his articles every day in the Spurs forum (he has hated LeBron since he was in HS lol).

[DMC]

Troll thread and suddenly a basketball discussion breaks out. You can't have a ing forum nowadays.

[baseline bum]

GTFO!! Are you serious he is a bigger dumbass than I thought ...

Seriously, Chad Ford's hard-on for Darko is like nothing I have ever seen from any other NBA journalist. Way worse than Ahmad Rashad and Jordan; think on par with the Kawhi only fans upstairs. He would constantly write articles about his workouts, how he would be the best bigman since Duncan, how Darko played against men while James was just beating boys, how Darko was more mentally tough, how Darko had every move with his back to the basket, how Darko loved contact, how Darko was a complete bigman.

[ambchang]

I am saying going where they went doesnt prove any of that. My point being that Jordan was probably a bigger star than Hakeem but Hakeem was also a star and a center so he went first. Rose went first so did Wall were they bigger stars than Jordan? Saying he went 3rd doesnt prove your case. I was never arguing that some of those guys were better "prospects" than Tim. Tim went first because like I said he was the best college prospect since shaq and I dont think even though Lebron was a national star anyone would Take him over tim because he was the better "prospect". But I think Webber although not the better player was a bigger star in college than Tim. So was Melo. Star does not equal always who you take first. You could argue Alonzo and definitely Laettener were bigger "stars" than Shaq but who went first in the draft?

You are talking about different drafts. And I know you are not that stupid. Point wasn't where they went in the draft, point was where they went in the draft respective to other players. If Jordan was a better prospect than Hakeem and bowie, he would've been drafted before them, unless you are talking about totally re ed GMs drafting Russell over okafor. Jordan wasn't drafted before Bowie and it wasn't a horrible choice at that point.

Same with Durant. It was a majority that rated Oden higher than Durant and Oden wasn't as touted as Duncan.

[ambchang]

OF course you cant judge that, but certain guys you can sense or feel it from. For example look at Tim's interview after the won the West ... right before the Spurs kicked the Heat's ass in 2014. You could tell duncan wasnt going to let "6" happen again. Did you see it? if you did that was what Simmons was talking about ...some player have it. Timmy, Jordan Kobe some don't Malone, Ewing David.

Ewing guanranteed the championship multiple times. If he had a few more all star caliber players on his team and won a championship, he'd suddenly be known as the guy with the will to win.