Was Aldridge worth it, tbh?

[SpurPadre]

Also, Danny has historically had bouts of choking when expectations are high. Once he realized the historic run he was on in the 2013 Finals, he proceeded to go like 1-12 or something

And TP giving the Heat chalkboard material about it, asking any and everyone why they weren't defending him as if he were a threat to civilization.

[SuperCam]

Without LMAlpha this team has 10 losses already, tbh

[baseline bum]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

[dabom]

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2010-11	23	SAS	NBA	SG	4	0	1.8	0.5	1.5	.333	0.3	1.0	.250	0.3	0.5	.500	.417	0.0	0.0		0.0	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.3	0.3	0.3	0.3	1.3
2011-12	24	SAS	NBA	SG	14	12	20.6	2.7	6.5	.418	1.4	4.1	.345	1.3	2.4	.545	.527	0.5	0.7	.700	0.2	3.0	3.2	1.1	0.5	0.7	1.1	1.7	7.4
2012-13	25	SAS	NBA	SG	21	21	31.9	4.0	8.9	.446	2.6	5.4	.482	1.3	3.4	.389	.594	0.6	0.7	.800	0.9	3.3	4.1	1.5	1.0	1.1	0.9	2.4	11.1
2013-14 ❍	26	SAS	NBA	SG	23	23	23.0	3.4	6.9	.491	2.1	4.4	.475	1.3	2.5	.517	.642	0.4	0.5	.818	0.4	2.6	3.0	0.9	1.4	0.7	0.9	2.2	9.3
2014-15	27	SAS	NBA	SG	7	7	29.1	3.0	8.7	.344	1.7	5.7	.300	1.3	3.0	.429	.443	0.6	0.9	.667	1.0	2.1	3.1	2.1	1.0	1.0	0.7	1.7	8.3
Career			NBA		69	63	24.6	3.2	7.3	.441	2.0	4.6	.429	1.2	2.7	.462	.577	0.5	0.6	.762	0.5	2.7	3.2	1.2	1.0	0.8	0.9	2.0	8.9

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Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	MP	PER	TS%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%		OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48		OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP
2010-11	23	SAS	NBA	SG	4	7	26.0	.417	.667	.000	0.0	17.0	8.3	70.8	7.6	10.3	14.3	46.9		0.0	0.0	0.0	.027		11.4	12.0	23.4	0.0
2011-12	24	SAS	NBA	SG	14	289	11.7	.540	.637	.110	1.3	16.3	9.1	7.9	1.3	2.5	13.6	17.8		0.1	0.3	0.4	.065		-0.2	1.6	1.4	0.3
2012-13	25	SAS	NBA	SG	21	669	15.2	.605	.613	.081	3.2	11.5	7.5	7.4	1.8	2.6	9.0	15.0		1.2	0.9	2.1	.154		3.7	2.1	5.8	1.3
2013-14 ❍	26	SAS	NBA	SG	23	529	16.5	.650	.635	.069	2.0	13.0	7.6	5.9	3.1	2.6	10.9	16.1		0.9	1.0	1.9	.172		3.9	3.4	7.3	1.2
2014-15	27	SAS	NBA	SG	7	204	10.5	.456	.656	.098	3.5	8.1	5.8	10.8	1.7	2.7	7.3	15.1		0.1	0.2	0.2	.053		-0.7	2.9	2.2	0.2

Seems like Green was playing bad before LMA tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Are we blaming LMA for Danny's ty shooting performance against the Clippers which basically cost the Spurs the series even w/ Porker being the worst point guard in the postseason & Tiago massaging his vagina?

Dude is missing wide open 3s like he was back at this point of the season back in 2013: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/...oting-analysis

As far as LMA, I've always said Gasol would be a better fit (which you vehemently disagreed) b/c he can affect the game on BOTH ends without scoring. He would have been an oversized version of Diaw & the offense wouldn't have need to be isolation heavy although Porkers decline required it to a certain extent.

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He was disappointing vs. the Clippers, but nowhere near the ty player he is right now, tbh..he was also the best player in game 7 for the Spurs, too, and current Green hasn't shown any flashes of that, at any point, this season, unfortunately..

If this is who he is now, the Spurs aren't winning anything, sadly..

[Robz4000]

Spurs will be fine.

[Kawhitstorm]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

How many times have you seen this season, when they whipped the ball around & Danny ended up throwing up a brick.

[dabom]

I don't know how anyone is blaming LMA for Green tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

You think Green is missing those threes cause of LMA?

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

There's no logic in a player that shot 40% from 3 in every season(on high volume, too) becoming a bad 3-point shooter, all of a sudden

[Kawhitstorm]

He was disappointing vs. the Clippers, but nowhere near the ty player he is right now, tbh..he was also the best player in game 7 for the Spurs, too, and current Green hasn't shown any flashes of that, at any point, this season, unfortunately..

If this is who he is now, the Spurs aren't winning anything, sadly..

If he in' moved the ball instead of trying to dribble penetrate, it would solve half of his issue on offense. Don't get me started on him trying to run PnPs w/ LMA.

[siraulo23]

I love Aldridge's defense, but man this team has gone from running one of the most beautiful offenses in the league to one that's downright ugly to watch. It's like late 1990s / early 2000s Spurs minus prime Duncan.

i think the raptors guards burning aldridge every time is a small preview of whats gonna happen in the playoffs if the spurs keep switching on the pick and rolls, its gonna be a nightmare tbh

[InTheCrust]

I was at the game tonight,couldn't believe how many times he decided to put the ball on the floor and "create". The spurs aren't the same team, so he needs to start firing away when he's got even and inch of space

[ElNono]

I don't think he has ever had a stretch this bad, tbh..

Adding Aldridge was supposed to make things easier for the role players, too, which clearly hasn't been the case, as he himself has become a role player..they're very fortunate Parker is having a great start..

His defense hasn't slipped, AFAIK, we're ranked better defensively than last season... he's just freaking garbage from 3 and so his "adjustment" of putting the ball on the floor has been an epic disaster...

But, he's still getting great looks from 3... just gotta keep shooting, I suppose...

[dabom]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

The old system still had Green shooting like and playing subpar defense in the playoffs before a system change and the arrival of LMA.

[Kawhitstorm]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately.

If he's dribble penetrating by design then Matt Barnes would be a better option as he is a very good slasher, thb.

[SpursFan86]

Nope, I think the new system clearly exposes his weaknesses, which isn't worth the trade, since Aldridge's impact has been minimal, unfortunately..

There's no logic in a player that shot 40% from 3 in every season(on high volume, too) becoming a bad 3-point shooter, all of a sudden

Cold streak (something he's been prone to in the past) + getting by far the largest contract of his career which possibly makes him think he needs to be doing more (or is getting in his head when it comes to expectation) seems fairly reasonable. Just as reasonable as the new system suddenly making him miss open looks that he's never had problems hitting in previous years.

[HarlemHeat37]

The old system still had Green shooting like and playing subpar defense in the playoffs before a system change and the arrival of LMA.

You're comparing a 6-game sample size against playoff-intensity defense to a 23-game sample size against an easy schedule and getting a ton of open looks..he was also the best Spur in game 7, whereas he has barely even had a decent game, so far, this season..

[FkLA]

LMA is fine. I think we all expected his offensive production to dip.

LDN needs to only be allowed to dribble once if he fakes the three. Develop that in between game like Bowen did.

[spurraider21]

Green can't make jump shots anymore..his occasional turnover would be fine if he wasn't shooting so terribly from 3, which makes him Andre Roberson..

he's still getting quality looks though, it's really farfetched to blame LMA

[dabom]

You're comparing a 6-game sample size against playoff-intensity defense to a 23-game sample size against an easy schedule and getting a ton of open looks

You just said it yourself. Open looks. Is that a bad thing? And how is LMA to blame for that?

[Nathan89]

2015 3pt: 6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 52.5%, 4-6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 36.7%
2016 3pt: 6ft wide open 1.9 attempts 31.7%, 4-6ft wide open 2 attempts 22.2%

It's LMA's fault

[Kawhitstorm]

2012: 44% from 3, 15.5 PER, 2 VORP(#2 on the team), 3 BPM(#3), 4.5 WS(#5)
2013: 43% from 3, 14.1 PER, 2.9 VORP(#2), 3.3 BPM(#4), 5.9 WS(#5)
2014: 42% from 3, 13.9 PER, 2.2 VORP(#4), 3.3 BPM(#3), 4.2 WS(#9)
2015: 42% from 3, 16.5 PER, 4.1 VORP(#2), 5 BPM(#3), 7.8 WS(#3)
2016: 29% from 3, 7 PER, 0.3 VORP(#9), -0.4 BPM(#11), 0.7 WS(#10)

He went from Draymond Green-level advanced metrics to arguably the worst starter in the conference in half a year..I'm not sure if there's ever been a similar example in league history..the only difference is the addition of Aldridge, unless you think Tiago was the reason for Green's success

Dude has turned into Lance Stephenson in a Hornets jersey

[MaNu4Tres]

I know this is going to sound weird, but I've noticed Dannys' shooting isn't the same this year. I'm not talking about % wise, I'm talking about his form and touch. It seems his form isn't as consistent as it's been in the past and his shot isn't as soft. Maybe the bandage on one of his shooting fingers has something to do with it? I don't know.

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA is fine. I think we all expected his offensive production to dip.

LDN needs to only be allowed to dribble once if he fakes the three. Develop that in between game like Bowen did.

He was pulling up for 2 last season but this season he has decided he's going to drive to the hole & throw up his ty floater or turn the ball over; maybe it was something he worked on in the summer in an empty gym.

[HarlemHeat37]

2015 3pt: 6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 52.5%, 4-6ft wide open 2.3 attempts 36.7%
2016 3pt: 6ft wide open 1.9 attempts 31.7%, 4-6ft wide open 2 attempts 22.2%

It's LMA's fault

Doug Collins explained the difference in systems during the Spurs' TNT game earlier in the year..he said Green would be making the biggest adjustment and suffering the most as a rhythm shooter by catching and shooting from completely different sets and looks(penetration and motion vs. post-up/mid-range action) than he has been accustomed to as the designated shooter on the team for the past 4 years..

Green's struggles would be worth it if Aldridge was doing anything of note, too, which is the point of the thread..