Warriors: Stephen Curry declares himself a better offensive player than LeBron James

[spurraider21]

Lebron averaged 35/13/8. He got 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team. Steph got zero on the winning team. I wouldn't call that being shut down. Regardless, make that claim and defend it if you like.

iggy won finals mvp matched up directly against lebron and held him to sub 40% field goals. thats not shutting him down?

[JohnnyMax]

LeBron went 18-of-54 (.333%) against Iguodala in the 15' finals with Iggy in his shorts whenever he guarded him. Of LeBron's 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, only 8 were uncontested. LeBron shot 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, but only shot 11-of-46 (.239%) on contested shots. According to ESPN Stats & Information data, that's worse than what LeBron shot when guarded by Jimmy Butler in the 2015 Eastern Conference semifinals at 39.3%. When Iggy was on the floor the Cavs were a minus -55. When Iggy was on the bench, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were a plus +30. On shots contested by anyone else other than Iguodala, James shot 41%. The last 3 games, there were 13 instances in which Iguodala has switched off James after starting the possession on him. LeBron shot 2-for-11 with a turnover on those possessions.

[Red Hawk #21]

LeBron went 18-of-54 (.333%) against Iguodala in the 15' finals with Iggy in his shorts whenever he guarded him. Of LeBron's 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, only 8 were uncontested. LeBron shot 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, but only shot 11-of-46 (.239%) on contested shots. According to ESPN Stats & Information data, that's worse than what LeBron shot when guarded by Jimmy Butler in the 2015 Eastern Conference semifinals at 39.3%. When Iggy was on the floor the Cavs were a minus -55. When Iggy was on the bench, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were a plus +30. On shots contested by anyone else other than Iguodala, James shot 41%. The last 3 games, there were 13 instances in which Iguodala has switched off James after starting the possession on him. LeBron shot 2-for-11 with a turnover on those possessions.

Now this is what you call being "shut down". I had no idea that it was this bad.

[spurraider21]

and its more than a 1 game sample size

[DMC]

iggy won finals mvp matched up directly against lebron and held him to sub 40% field goals. thats not shutting him down?

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

[DAF86]

Couldn't be anymore wrong tbh. Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series, in all honesty. He came up big when Curry was disappearing in key stretches.


Everyone who watched that series knew Iguodala was their most valuable player.

Swap Igoudala with any decent wingmen in the league and the Warriors still win those finals. Swap Curry and they are ed.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Do any of you guys think the LeBron era is over?

[spurraider21]

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

possibly

[DMC]

possibly

Just say you don't ing know. That's what your responses always amount to, pussy.

[RsxPiimp]

Swap Igoudala with any decent wingmen in the league and the Warriors still win those finals. Swap Curry and they are ed.

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

[TDfan2007]

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

Curry was shut down in that game, and it was embarrassing, but LeBron was shut down for an entire series. His numbers were fantastic because of his all-around brilliance and historically high usage rate, but he was awful shooting the ball, and often settled for bad shots.

In any case, comparing Curry and LeBron is classic "apples to oranges." They're both extremely potent and efficient, but they go about their business in completely different ways.

[TDfan2007]

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

[DAF86]

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

Yeah, 'cause your "Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series" comment is a proven fact.

About the "huge offensively in crucial games" stuff:

Game 1, last 4 minutes of the 4th and the entire OT:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 1 pt

Game 2: loss
Game 3: loss
game 4: win with no crunch time

Game 5, last 4 minutes (actually a bit more to include an Iggy 3 so you don't say I'm biased):

Curry - 12 pts
Iggy - 5 pts

Game 6, last 4 minutes:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 2 pts

I know you Kobe fans aren't big fans of stats and facts but c'mon dude.

[TDfan2007]

Yeah, 'cause your "Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series" comment is a proven fact.

About the "huge offensively in crucial games" stuff:

Game 1, last 4 minutes of the 4th and the entire OT:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 1 pt

Game 2: loss
Game 3: loss
game 4: win with no crunch time

Game 5, last 4 minutes (actually a bit more to include an Iggy 3 so you don't say I'm biased):

Curry - 12 pts
Iggy - 5 pts

Game 6, last 4 minutes:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 2 pts

I know you Kobe fans aren't big fans of stats and facts but c'mon dude.

Iggy was their playmaker in crunchtime, not their go-to scorer...

[DAF86]

Iggy was their playmaker in crunchtime, not their go-to scorer...

I will post the assist totals for each player and you will tell me Iggy had a lot of "hockey assist", I will somehow find the "hockey assists" to post them and you will come up with something else to try to prove what your "eye test" had you thinking happened.

The fact is that Curry played a bit below his habilities and Iggy exceeded his and the voters let themselves fool by that, but the reality is: even with Curry not playing as well as he can, he was still clearly more valuable to the Warriors in that series than Iguodala.

[RsxPiimp]

come on man, are you really arguing the legitimacy of Iguodala winning the Finals MVP? His impact is way beyond numbers tbh and speaking of numbers, he had the second highest net rating in the finals, second to LeBron.

[DAF86]

OMG, are you really arguing the legitimacy of Iguodala winning the Finals MVP? His impact is way beyond numbers tbh,

Hahahahahaha. OH MY GOSH, OK THEN! "His impact is way beyond numbers". You've convinced me now.

[spurraider21]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

[TDfan2007]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

This, basically.

[RsxPiimp]

Hahahahahaha. OH MY GOSH, OK THEN! "His impact is way beyond numbers". You've convinced me now.

Iguodala was sublime in the final three games, making timely shots, getting out on the break, getting rebounds, getting assists and undoubtedly gave Golden State an emotional lift after it fell behind 2-1. Since you like numbers, I already told you he was second in net rating, behind only James.


Defensively. When Lebron was in the floor at the same time as Iggy, his field goal percentage was .351% Lebron also shot just 30 percent on shots contested by Iguodala. When contested by anyone else, James shot 42 percent.


I'm not denying Curry is the vital cog of the Warriors, but Iguodala's impact far exceeds the cherry picked numbers you put up.

[DMC]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

When you say a bench player played above expectations and got the MVP for the series, you also are saying everyone else didn't get it. You're ignoring the fact that a league MVP is a person who is typcially far and away the reason for his team's regular seasons success. Steph came into the Finals with high expectations, so while AI rose above expectations, Curry did not meet his. You can show the percentages all you want because cherry pickers cherry pick.

You cannot even tell an honest story without bending it to your bias.

[spurraider21]

taking his numbers for the entire finals vs the entire playoffs = cherry picking

i'm sorry that your notion of curry getting shut down in the finals was just your simple mind overreacting to one game

[DMC]

Curry was shut down in that game, and it was embarrassing, but LeBron was shut down for an entire series. His numbers were fantastic because of his all-around brilliance and historically high usage rate, but he was awful shooting the ball, and often settled for bad shots.

In any case, comparing Curry and LeBron is classic "apples to oranges." They're both extremely potent and efficient, but they go about their business in completely different ways.

Lebron wasn't shut down by Curry.

[DMC]

taking his numbers for the entire finals vs the entire playoffs = cherry picking

i'm sorry that your notion of curry getting shut down in the finals was just your simple mind overreacting to one game

Saying 35/13/8 average is being shut down but




Isn't being shut down by Delly.

I guess game 2 wasn't in the Finals since you disagree that Steph was shut down in the Finals.

[spurraider21]

you could say he was shut down in one game of the finals. would be intellectually dishonest to say "the finals" in the same way it would be dishonest to say "stephen curry got shut down in the 14-15 season"