Who caused the current climate in Baltimore? The Cops did. They have a long history of excessive force against its citizens. One of those incidents finally blows up and its the citizens fault? That illogical.
Never specified Baltimore these are Nation wide rises in crime. The Ferguson effect has cops afraid to do their job. You think it's okay for a mob of 50 citizens to harass/spit on/throw objects/threaten an officer during a routine stop? And you then expect that same officer to give a and protect these same people?
Didn't say all of that. Cops have a tough gig as is, but bad cops make life worse for the good ones. These protests are boiling point over years of being harassed by the police. The Mike Brown shooting was the boiling point. Whether or not people think Brown was murdered or not, they were justified in protesting.
They (some) weren't justified in rioting, looting and attacking police. It did bring a national spotlight to the racially biased PD that forced several officers to resign. That wouldn't of happened and no one would believe the stories about police misconduct in that city.
As for Baltimore, again blaming the citizens for their response seems like deflecting. Did some go waaay over board, yes. Again, the police caused this mess, they can't cry victim when there is blow back and extra scrutiny on the PD.
The citizens already don't believe the officers are there to protect them. Based on all of the complaints (317 in the past four years) its not like they are entirely wrong. Good cops are having all of these problems because the bad ones are alienating the communities they police. Citizens harassing the good cops isn't making things better but its not like the relationship was perfect to begin with.
"Baltimore City Council president Bernard C. Young agrees that the brutality has fostered severe mistrust between the police and the community. Residents fear the police more than they fear the drug dealers on the corner," Young told The Sun. These officers taint the whole department when they create these kinds of issues for the city," he added. "I'm tired of the lawsuits that cost the city millions of dollars by some of these police officers."
http://www.businessinsider.com/balti...awsuits-2015-4
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At least 55 people, the highest pace since the early 1970s, have been killed in Baltimore since May 1, when the state’s attorney for the city, Marilyn J. Mosby, announced the criminal charges against the officers. Victims of shootings have included people involved in criminal activity and young children who were simply in the wrong place.
A 9-year-old boy was shot in the leg over the Memorial Day weekend. Another boy, Kester Browne, 7, a Chinese-language student at an international school, was fatally shot along with his mother, Jennifer Jeffrey-Browne, 31. They were two of the city’s 42 homicide victims in May.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us...ders-soar.html
Warrior cops are out of control
Danielle Wilder said she has moved from her Baltimore home but isn't telling anyone — even family members — where she lives now.
"The next thing, one of us will be dead. We don't know. We have moved, and I have not given my address to family members. We just don't know," she said.
Wilder lost her sister, Jennifer Jeffrey-Browne, 31, and nephew, 7-year-old Kester "Tony" Browne, last month when the mother and son were found shot to death in their Southwest Baltimore home.
The Brownes are two of the city's 144 homicide victims in the first six months of the year, a 48 percent increase over last year. Much of the surge in violence has come in the aftermath of the April 19 death of Freddie Gray, which touched off protests, rioting, looting and arson in the city.
More than half of this year's killings — 74 — have occurred in the past two months.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...630-story.html
Danielle Wilder said she has moved from her Baltimore home but isn't telling anyone — even family members — where she lives now.
"The next thing, one of us will be dead. We don't know. We have moved, and I have not given my address to family members. We just don't know," she said.
Wilder lost her sister, Jennifer Jeffrey-Browne, 31, and nephew, 7-year-old Kester "Tony" Browne, last month when the mother and son were found shot to death in their Southwest Baltimore home.
The Brownes are two of the city's 144 homicide victims in the first six months of the year, a 48 percent increase over last year. Much of the surge in violence has come in the aftermath of the April 19 death of Freddie Gray, which touched off protests, rioting, looting and arson in the city.
More than half of this year's killings — 74 — have occurred in the past two months.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...630-story.html
This scenario will play out all over American cities in the next 25 years
WTF is with the? People died, .
Sub-humans stopped breathing our air and eating our resourcesWTF is with the
But you're fine with using a "sub-human's" bandwidth? Get a job and get your own board, parasite.
But why so mad?
C'mon now... your syntax suggests you even steal trolling techniques from black Americans.
Snackbar, I don't really think it's worth the effort responding to him. His trolling tactics aren't that good; you're better than that.
Fair enough. I see you're a family man now, btw -- congrats, sir!
lol been one for about five years... hence why I don't post as oftenI'm overseas right now though, and after five months or so of 72 hours per week, things are finally slow enough to have some down time.
5 years?!?! Oops. Well I'll probably fade away over the next few weeks as the roster takes shape, but come home safe, chief! Hope you're out of harm's way, at least? A nice respite on Johnston Island or something?lol been one for about five years... hence why I don't post as often
lol well, thought I was out of harm's way until that Kuwaiti bombing a few days ago... but honestly, no, it's not too bad. Not a high threat level, that I'm aware of at least.
Godspeed, brother.
Almost done with my half a year...
BALTIMORE (AP) — Baltimore reached a grim milestone on Friday, three months after riots erupted in response to the death of Freddie Gray in police custody: With 45 homicides in July, the city has seen more bloodshed in a single month than it has in 43 years.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/60352506f481415c8edf3fc35b6f8103/baltimore-killings-soar-level-unseen-43-years
Baltimore has become the second deadliest city in America (after St. Louis) with homicides surpassing those of Detroit, the longtime poster child for urban violence.
During the first seven months of 2015, Detroit police reported 163 slayings. That compares to 189 killings recorded through July in Baltimore.
With 10% fewer residents than Detroit, Baltimore’s current homicide rate (deaths per 100,000 people) is running about 26% above that of the Motor City.
https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/0...cides-in-2015/
Baltimore's murder rate is the highest per capita in the city's history -- and the past few days have been bloody, reports CBS Baltimore.
Baltimore's 342nd murder was a stabbing on the east side. Number 341 was a shooting; a man was shot over and over again on the west side. Those murders followed the arrest of an 18-year-old on a wild shootout on North Avenue, where police say he shot two girls -- just 11 and 12 years old.
Twenty-three of this year's victims are children.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bloody-e...all-time-high/
Baltimore is an outlier. Cherry pick much?
This seems so over-complicated to me in general:
1) How many police killings are there in a year (I know the FBI tracking numbers aren't considered gospel)?:
2) Of that number, how many are minoriries vs whites?
3) How many murders are there a year by non-cops?
4) Of that number, how many are minorities vs whites?
5) Of that number, how many are same race murders vs racially motivated murders?
It may just be me showing my ignorance on a very complex topic. I definitely get the central issue here is that cops are in a position of authority and that definitely makes it much, much worse. We expect "people" to commit crimes, but not cops. However, when you answer the questions above, it seems like starting with the real problem will likely be the best use of time/effort.
Maybe if the thing that is truly killing record numbers of minoriries is fixed, then the movement will gain more steam to correct the systemic issue within the small amount of police officers that do wrong.
Then you can focus on the 1% of stuff that is worse because of the situation.
I can't answer all of those questions but:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/n...gs-us-database
According to this link 1130 people have been killed by police. 34% of the unarmed killings (220 Total unarmed killings) have been black. They make up only 12% of the population. 45% of unarmed people killed were white (53% of the overall population). Overall 50% of the unarmed people killed were black or Hispanic despite making up about 1//3 of the population.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...015-study-says
Police killed in duty is down 14% in 2015
So about 1100 people (which, all of them aren't controversial) & almost 50% are white. Yes, when viewed as a percentage, it looks bad, but half of the people police kill are white - more than any other.
But I wonder how many non-police murders there are in the US? It has to be like 20,000 a year (not sure and haven't seen any data, just guessing). Of those, I remember seeing multiple statistics that it's dominated by the same races killing each other, not other races.
So my point was, yes, having 300 black people a year killed by cops is alarming. But of those ~300, how many were truly questionable killings? Even if it's half (which I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised), that's 150 black people killed by cops. It's pretty disgusting given a cops status as protector.
But when compared to murders by regular people? Black on Black? You are likely talking 5,000+ with non-black on black killings being a very small percentage (last numbers I saw).
So how is that not the bigger focus? Anyone dying for any reason is terrible and it's especially terrible when it comes from someone who's entrusted to serve and protect. I get that. But it seems to be more of a political issue vs people really up in arms about the fact black men (in particular young black men) are being killed off in record numbers.
How is that not the main focus? Start working towards fixing that number and then you take away not only the real threat, but any ammo anyone has when they can point to those numbers and lack of protests vs what cops do.
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