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There is a good reason why they never have won a championship in 45 years of existence.
LeBron just trying to be like Mike. Seriously though it's not like Cavs management was any better, I mean Anthony Bennett? The 2013 draft wasn't the best but they could have at least gotten someone serviceable. Dion Waiters the year before wasn't much better.GM LeBron DEMANDED they trade Wiggins for Love.
There is a good reason why they never have won a championship in 45 years of existence.
Yep. Left him out of his letter to SI ...then last summer met him poolside so they could resign him to a max deal. Even though it was a bad fit last year. You would think Bron would have learned from the Jamison trade ...GM LeBron DEMANDED they trade Wiggins for Love.
But already see where the cscapegoating will fall when Lebron falls short again. So at least They have a fall guy ...LeBron following his ohio state homeboy Chris Carter advice
LolB-but this doesn't fit the narrative
If he played in the finals last year, in place of Tristian Thompson, surely the Cavs would've won
West did punk his ass. Not sure i buy the Love is lazy argument. To transform his body the way he has shows dedication and work ethic. The problem is despite his claims to the contrary he loves the hollywood lifestyle. The time he spent on sculpting his body should have been spent on his game ...which would have helped his body anyways ...but i have bruin sources that say jis focus the past two years has been on getting shred abs and lowering body fat over refining his game that is in decline.LMA was being guarded by Tristan not Love, it was Tim who couldn't score on Love (before West checked in & busted his ass).
Only one game, but Cleveland looked better in the finals without Love.
Yet the all time leader in steals is white.
steals = defense?
Stockton, Majerle, ehlo, Eaton, Rambis, McHale were all fine defenders but please don't use steals to make that case.
Stockton was a great defender. There is a reason he was all nba 2nd team in defense multiple season.
Your leaving out AK47, Manu, Ainge, Seikaly, Smits, and a ton of other white players that were damn good defenders. Its just happens that Love sucks donkey balls at playing D. Harden, who is black, is just as bad.
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I put that on LeHype's inability to make his teammates better defensively.
outside of aK47 and Manu who is not white ... those are overrated defensive players. Stockton was very good on defense but I watched Isiah and GP destroy him repeatedly. Great on defense was prime GP, Dumars, rodman Bowen etc. . Very good was Stockton.
I agree, but I said those guys were damn good, not all time greats. The basis of the argument was that white players don't play defense. The forementioned players disproves just that.
And Manu is Italian descent. He is white. Just not Caucasian or Nordic white.
I dont agree with the racist statement. white dudes can ball, dance, jump etc. and of course play defense. Overall they are not as good at those things but to say they cannot is moronic.
My original point was steals is a poor indicator of dense. AI was great at steals but was not a good defender after he left college tbh ..
You can hide one bad defender on a good defensive team, but it's really hard to hide two... and when JR Smith is on the floor with Love & Kyrie, that makes three.
great point.
AK47 was overrated, defensive stat stuffer. Not bad, but no where close to how people rate him.
Manu is average at best.
Same with Ainge.
Seikly was horrible.
Smits was below average.
Stockton was great, Ehlo was good, Eaton was good offside, McHale was phenomenal. None of the ones you mentioned belongs to the conversation.
West and Bird were decent.
yep. Not sure I say Stock was great but very good but that's just a quibble. Defense is my area of expertise and I place Stock at the high end of 'very good". great for me (on defense) as far as PG's go = prime Kidd, DJ and GP.
I also think CP3 is overrated on that end. I would say he is very good like Stock. both disruptive but not great pure defenders like the 3 i mentioned who to be fair are big for PG's ...
Agree with the rest.
Yeah, Stockton was no Kidd, DJ or Glove, but he works hard, plays dirty, and is very smart. He doesn't have the quickness, athleticism or length to really bother the quickest of the quick point guards, that's why players like Zeke shreds him.
However, Stockton plays the angles very well, and he is very disruptive. He knows what he can get away with and really pushes the envelop on those.
Of the all-time great PGs, Stockton is up there as a defender.
Manu has a better def rating than Bowen. Not saying he is Bowen but Manu is like in the top 10 in def rating for guards over the last 10 years. Manu is a good defender.
Ainge, am I am talking about Boston Ainge, not old man Suns Ainge, was a good defender.
Smits was a good defender. Yeah, when comparing him to Shaq, Drob, Mutumbo, Zo, Hakeem, etc, you would think he was below avg b/c he just played in the golden age of defensive centers.
Seikly was also a good defender. His career was just hampered by injuries.
I can see why you think these weren't good defender but they were. Its just so happen that the bar at the time for Centers were pretty damn high.
I am not saying these guys were great, but they all hustle and were able to be disruptive force on the defensive end at times. Of course none these guys were elite or even great. But compare to guys like Love/Mosgov/JR Smith/James Harden, etc. these guys looked all world.
Manu benefits from playing on teams that were great defensively. Loves the way he anticipates, but he gambles way too much. Bowen is tough to measure on defense, but his DBPM and DWS are both better than Manu in general.
Ainge had negative DBPM for a long stretch in his career. DJ was that defensive ace, Ainge was average.
Again, negative DBPM for large tracks of his career. He was too slow on defense and just gets abused over and over again.
Seikaly was never really any good on defense and his defensive numbers say as much. He was great in the low post though.
Oh .... well, if you are comparing them to THOSE guys, then yeah, I can definitely see it. It's all a matter of perspective.
Italy is part of Africa apparently.
didnt say that ... but I definitely think he has more in common with people of Spanish descent ... but whatever. Dont plan to argue his origins or ancestry here because I dont care.
But OV, does Manu consider himself white?
His fall in pedigree is probably the biggest in recent years because of those gaudy empty numbers in Minny.. .I'm not sure he is good enough to be 3rd banana on a le team..
What else would he be? He's ing Italian. Even if his family were native Argentines, he'd still be white.
Idiot.
I just said I didn't know and I don't care. Because I dont agree with premise that whites cant play defense first of all. And I was not aware of his heritage. I did not know he was Italian until someone mentioned it earlier and like I said ...I associated him more with Spanish folks like Pau than pure white like Nowitzki or Stockton. But I admit that is my own ignorance but again ...I dont care about his race ... in case you didnt catch that before.
Thanks for the ancestry 101 lesson, OV
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