Would you trade Tim's or Manu's contracts after they retire?

[Mikeanaro]

[100%duncan]

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No imho

[CGD]

Interesting question. I think the pr blow would be significant. There is a huge difference between Bowen and these guys. The only way it's maybe sellable to the fan base if it nets a big player in return (not Robin Lopez or Tiago).

[sasaint]

Couple of things. First, the 1+1 deals imply that the two guys are at least considering retiring and pocketing the money. The only benefit of having a player option is so a player can extend his contract against his team's wishes. This is usually in the case of injury. If the Greybreads weren't planning on getting paid not to play, they'd've just signed straight one-year deals. Now you may be wondering why they didn't just sign a two-year deal if they planned on taking the 2016-2017 money even if they retire. But that's actually further proof of their plan. They want the option over a straight two-year deal SPECIFICALLY so they could opt out for a bigger deal if they want to continue their careers. And that's perfectly fine for the Spurs, as they will have Bird rights for both guys and will most likely not have any cap space anyway. If the Spurs NEED the space, maybe they could work with Tim and Manu to get some of that money back, but they don't seem likely to get out of those contracts for free in any event -- and I think they don't intend to.

Second is that even if Tim and Manu intend on retiring without taking any salary, they may opt in and agree to forego their guarantee just to give the Spurs a chance to use the cap space or trade exceptions on a piece for the next era. In fact, it makes them even more attractive if they go that route. They become dust chips. This isn't the best market to trade dust-chip guys in (too much cap space), but maybe the Spurs can make something work. Like Duncan, Manu, Diaw, money to cover Diaw's buyout and a couple of first-rounders for Horford. It would take some luck to get that to make a max contract to offer him, but no question in my mind that Atlanta would take that offer if Al decides to leave them.

I always appreciate the knowledge of the game you bring to the table, but even more your understanding of the league. I lack anything remotely resembling your in-depth understanding. I would guess that the only reason a team would be willing to trade for contracts knowing that the players tied to them were gonna retire would be if the Spurs were willing to accept an undesirable contract or expendable player in exchange. Only one of those two cases makes the acquisition of a "dust chip" desirable, it seems to me. Not so?

[apalisoc_9]

I remeber zach lowe asking commish something of that nature...

[Spurtacular]

Tim and Manu coming back, tbh.

[Sean Cagney]

Didn't they trade Bowen's contract in the Richard Jefferson deal?

Yes.

[cd021]

Have retired players gone against a teams cap before?

I'm pretty sure Dyess did. He signed a three year with a partially guaranteed 3rd year. He retired and the Spurs still payed 1/3 of his final years salary.

[cd021]

Tim and Manu coming back, tbh.

I agree, both have played well this season and the Spurs they have less on their shoulders. I would like to see this group back for another season, hopefully going for a repeat.

[Raven]

what do we get from that? i'm guessing nothing.

[Spurtacular]

I agree, both have played well this season and the Spurs they have less on their shoulders. I would like to see this group back for another season, hopefully going for a repeat.

People panicking cos of GS emergence, tbh.

[SAGirl]

People panicking cos of GS emergence, tbh.

Not for me. I am more concerned about Timmy's knee and his age. Time will tell.