If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly

[clambake]

still happy that she can live again.

[Wild Cobra]

he spoke to many people directly. he was very approachable. not one time was he offended by the questions people asked.


loser? won't argue that with the expert.

You didn't look up the definition of "context" yet, did you?

You really expose your stupidity over, and over, and over.

your smart move would be to admit you are wrong, and talking out your ass.

Even if he said that, it is a different "context" than what is in the book.

[clambake]

he said he wanted to apologize to powell and to every american.


why does this hurt so bad?

[Wild Cobra]

he said he wanted to apologize to powell and to every american.


why does this hurt so bad?

Past tense?

Now that I know the "context" you are using, I'm not saying he didn't say that.

However, I still don't believe anything you say for a moment.

LOL...

LOL...

LOL...

It's obvious you still didn't look up the definition of "context!"

My God, are you a level 99 fool?

[clambake]

you don't believe what i say?



you still believe those U.S. soldiers were killed by karma?
you still stalk defenseless women?
you still think she's happy you're gone?
you still know where all the nukes are?



chuckle

[hater]

Lol Russia has US checkmated in many levels. Not even Rubio or Cruz will be able to do 2 s about it

Look up Russian Oceanic System 6. An undetectable robotic mini sub than can carry a payload of 100 megatons. Thus creating a tsunami of 500 meters in height and would radiate and kill anything with 1000 miles off the coast

Rubio doing anything about it

[ChumpDumper]

lol Russia got cucked by Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia

[hater]

An US got cucked by Iran

IRAN

[ChumpDumper]

An US got cucked by Iran

IRAN

How?

Oil is $35 a barrel.

In that respect, Iran is about to cuck Russia too.

Iran

[hater]

IRAN

[ChumpDumper]

How?

Use your words.

[Winehole23]

Pick up a tab for what?

Defense of Europe.

[TDMVPDPOY]

well russia is inside ukrain now...u dont see nato or eu doing even if ukrain was a member or not of eu/nato...

fkn clowns cant even solve immigrant refugees problem, what makes u think they can solve a war against russia

[z0sa]

Considering the proximity of the countries to Russia, one wonders how they will ever truly be free of threat from the giant.

[hater]

Defense of Europe.

defense fom whom???

Russia is not invading Europe Einstein

[Winehole23]

The burden of European defense against threats perceived or real should fall more heavily on European countries. I'm agnostic as to whether Russia will/would invade.

[boutons_deux]

The burden of European defense against threats perceived or real should fall more heavily on European countries. I'm agnostic as to whether Russia will/would invade.

agnostic as in don't care, or don't know

All the Putin fellators here on Spurstalk would love the results if Putin invaded the Baltics, and why not Finland?

[Winehole23]

don't know. do you?

[velik_m]

The burden of European defense against threats perceived or real should fall more heavily on European countries. I'm agnostic as to whether Russia will/would invade.

Threats perceived by whome? That's the whole point, just because US goverment is for some reason affraid of Putin, doesn't mean everyone else is. I can tell you no one in Slovenia regards Russia as a serious threat. I mean if you would push me really hard to name countries as threats, Italy, Hungary and Croatia would come up way higher. I'd rather see them cut military spending than increase it.

[boutons_deux]

don't know. do you?

I care if Russia would invade the Baltics, ALL of Ukraine, but while I don't know, Putin's Macho Man measuring activities plays well with Russian patriots.

[boutons_deux]

"US goverment is for some reason affraid of Putin"

who says? evidence?

[hater]

The burden of European defense against threats perceived or real should fall more heavily on European countries. I'm agnostic as to whether Russia will/would invade.

You are ignoring the fact that NATOs imperialistic strategies involve heavily in arming eastern Europe in order to gain influence and thus power in the region.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Threats perceived by whome? That's the whole point, just because US goverment is for some reason affraid of Putin, doesn't mean everyone else is. I can tell you no one in Slovenia regards Russia as a serious threat. I mean if you would push me really hard to name countries as threats, Italy, Hungary and Croatia would come up way higher. I'd rather see them cut military spending than increase it.

You are on the adriatic with Austria, Hungary, Ukraine, the old Czech republic, etc between you and them. Turkey defends from the south. It's very easy for you to say. At the same time your country voted to join NATO which has one purpose: to defend from Russian expansion which belies your claim based on personal anecdote.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are ignoring the fact that NATOs imperialistic strategies involve heavily in arming eastern Europe in order to gain influence and thus power in the region.

more Russian TV news rhetoric from shillbot.

Crimea was criminal expansion which meets the standard of imperial expansion. The proxy war they are playing in Ukraine the same. What has NATO done?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If Russian tanks and troops rolled into the Baltics tomorrow, outgunned and outnumbered NATO forces would be overrun in under three days. That’s the sobering conclusion of war games carried out by a think tank with American military officers and civilian officials.

“The games’ findings are unambiguous: As currently postured, NATO cannot successfully defend the territory of its most exposed members,” said a report by the RAND Corp., which led the war gaming research.

In numerous tabletop war games played over several months between 2014-2015, Russian forces were knocking on the doors of the Estonian capital of Tallinn or the Latvian capital of Riga within 36 to 60 hours. U.S. and Baltic troops — and American airpower — proved unable to halt the advance of mechanized Russian units and suffered heavy casualties, the report said.

The study argues that NATO has been caught napping by a resurgent and unpredictable Russia, which has begun to boost defense spending after having seized the Crimean peninsula in Ukraine and intervened in support of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine. In the event of a potential Russian incursion in the Baltics, the United States and its allies lack sufficient troop numbers, or tanks and armored vehicles, to slow the advance of Russian armor, said the report by RAND’s David Shlapak and Michael Johnson.

“Such a rapid defeat would leave NATO with a limited number of options, all bad,” it said.

The United States and its NATO allies could try to mount a bloody counter-attack that could trigger a dramatic escalation by Russia, as Moscow would possibly see the allied action as a direct strategic threat to its homeland. A second option would be to take a page out of the old Cold War playbook, and threaten massive retaliation, including the use of nuclear weapons. A third option would be to concede at least a temporary defeat, rendering NATO toothless, and embark on a new Cold War with Moscow, the report said.

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A force of about seven brigades in the area, including three heavy armored brigades, and backed up by airpower and artillery, would be enough “to prevent the rapid overrun of the Baltic states,” it said. The additional forces would cost an estimated $2.7 billion a year to maintain.
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Three heavy armored brigades is about a US Armored division (generally about 4 total brigades, with supporting divisional assets).
Think:
1st Cav or so with some attached units, or roughly 50,000 troops. (my own mental calculation, based on a US division being about 30,000)

Not a minor commitment.

It is impossible to currently tell what that war game scenario was based on. Russia currently has a lot of forces deployed in Ukraine and Syria. I'm guessing they are predicting if Russia brought all their force to bear on the NW. It is close to Moscow and St Petersburgh so I could see it but that would also leave their southern flank exposed.