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You admit James will win the award in the future??? What's happening to your hatred?!
If Lebron wins it, Ducks will be on suicide watch.
No doubt Billups is the MVP of the Pistons, but you have to take into account that their starting 5 is arguably the best in the league. If Billups were on the Lakers or Suns...would he look as valuable as Kobe or Nash?
George Karl was on best damn sports last night, and he said his vote for MVP was for Billups!
Yeah, but Karl is a moron
If Lebron wins it, Ducks will be on suicide watch.
No doubt Billups is the MVP of the Pistons, but you have to take into account that their starting 5 is arguably the best in the league. If Billups were on the Lakers or Suns...would he look as valuable as Kobe or Nash?
So was the Boston Celtics starting five when Larry Bird won his MVP. Magic had two allstar/superstar teammates.
Having great teammates should not and has not precluded players from winning the MVP. If Chauncey doesn't win it, it shouldn't be because of the teammates he has. It should be because someone is more deserving.
George Karl has also said the Spurs are still the best team in the league.
What a moron!
I don't care what the he says, he's still a moron.
Funny that you laugh at my post, and then proceed to use my argument.
1) Kobe
2) The Black Mamba
3) Nash
If Lebron wins it, Ducks will be on suicide watch.
No doubt Billups is the MVP of the Pistons, but you have to take into account that their starting 5 is arguably the best in the league. If Billups were on the Lakers or Suns...would he look as valuable as Kobe or Nash?
Agree with it or not, many people thought the Phoenix Suns had arguably the best starting 5 in the league last year, Nash had two all star teammates in Amare and Marion, and a borderline all-star in Joe Johnson.
And yet Steve nash won the MVP last year.
Nash won it because of the huge turnaround the Suns made.
The blathering about Nash making his teammates better is bull , or rather, statistically insignifigant IMO.
1. Dirk
2. Nash
3. Kobe
4. James
5. Wade
King James, es!
Single-handedly prevented a typical Cavalier collapse. Playing his best ball all season. Carrying that Cavs team into the playoffs. His stats are out of control.
I dont even think this is much of an argument anymore (to me).
Maybe that would work, cept in the last two years the Cavs collapsed because he did.
He was 18 when he began his rookie year and 19 at the end of the year. No one should expect someone that age to "carry" a team. Same with his second year at 19-20.
It's amazing that a 21 year old has the abilities that he does and he is carrying them this year...did I mention he's doing that at the age of 21?
(yep, guess I did
1. Lebron
2. Chauncey
3. Kobe
4. Wade
5. Nash
12. Dirk
His age shouldn't be a factor in MVP voting, it doesn't make sense to give it to Lebron for not folding this year, because he was the one making those mistakes. Melo came into the league and got his team to the POs at the age of 20
There is no way I could give LBJ the MVP. How many times this year has he had the opportunity to truly be an MVP, only to pass the ball or miss his shot when it really counted? Those are MVP moments. Much like KG not wanting the ball when it matters, so too w/ LBJ. Only once this year has he had a MVP moment that won a game for the team. How many times have you seen MVP performances from Kobe,Billups,Dirk or Wade to win a game?
I love Lebrons game. IMO he along w/ Kobe are the 2 best players in the game. But that does not make him an MVP.
'Bron has shown me too many times this year that he is NOT the MVP.
He doesn't even rank in my top 5.
IMO:
Nash
Chauncey
Kobe
Dirk
Wade
Is Dirk's MVP run over, just for a bad month for the team? Even thought he averaged his best avg for points and rebounds 30-10.2 for the month? Since when is MVP based on a couple of weeks or a month?
1.Dirk
2.Nash.
3.Billups
Now for those who have Kobe on their top 3 now thats laughable...
Shhhhhhhhh!!!Funny that you laugh at my post, and then proceed to use my argument.
I know, when I read your post I was all against it. Then I thought about it some more and all the Pistons fans in this thread loving Billups made we want to reconsider.
Dirk's chances are over why Kobe and James continue to lose game all year round? Makes no sense. Actually Dirk has had his best month stat wise. Of course Dirk haters wouldn't see that.
its between nash, james, kobe
Dirk nowitzki has no use in the mvp race. He has not carried a CBS team on his back, he's stats are not mind blowing either.
Lebron is leading a Bi polar, 2 guys who can't shoot and a bunch of other scurbs who've forgotten how to play basketball into the playoffs. He's putting up stats that Dirk dreams about.
MVP
Kobe bryant is leading a team with Mr inconsistent, an and 1 streeballer, a misfit and a bunch of other journeyman into the playoffs and probably 6th seed. He's also putting up stats we have not seen since Mj.
MVP
Dirk is not doing what they are doing and is not as valuable as the two above. His teamates are much better than the two above and that is part of the reason why they have the record. Lebron and Kobe would dream to have players that surround Dirk.
MVP- NOT
If you're actually going to argue that he is as valuable then those guys then Sir you are the biggest homer on the internet.
Last edited by melo061; 04-05-2006 at 04:24 AM.
You are the biggest Dirk hater on the internet. Dirk is greater than Kobe because he is more well rounded. Better passer, better rebounder, and more efficient shooter but I guess you will make the argument that Kobe scores 35 ppg on a bad team you admit. Nothing like making a poor team ing average. Odom is no piece of either. In this last month Dirk has averaged 30 and 10 so when needed he can put up big points at a more efficient pace than Kobe. Dirk's defense is also underrated. He has greatly improved that area of his game. Too bad Terry can't play any defense. Terry and Stackhouse are the reason for Dallas's struggles on defense.
I am not the biggest dirk hater. Dirk's defense is trash, it may have gotten better but it's still trash. Secondly Dirk is not the better passer than kobe, let's see Dirk iniate a offense for a whole season and average 6 assits. Point muted.
In the last month Lebron put up 33-8-7 and guarenteed the cavs a playoff position for the first time since 98. Those stats are near triple double, something that Dirk has no idea what it is. His carried the cavs with guys like Marshall and jones who brick open shots and to top it off, Larry hughes was injured. Lebron has stepped up his game in every possible way this month, including in the clutch
I would love to See Dirk score "efficiently" with the kind of defenses kobe attracts ever y game. And don't tell me he would pass it off, to who? Sasha the brick european? Smush who bricks shots also? Kobe's carrying a team which was expected to be one of the worst in the league, to the playoffs. He's upped his game and is doing something we haven't seen.
Dirk's leading a team which i might add, none of them are allstars. However he has much more talent and the team is much more solid than the cavs and lakers. He does not carry the team on his back like the two above do, night in night out.
MVP-Not.
edit: I don't particularly like Lebron but any person who's sane can see he is much more valuable than Dirk nowtizki.
Well I underate Lebron's ability as do many others but Lebron has not shown the leadership at the end of games to take over. He doesn't make his players better despite the stats. Both Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall are known to be high percentage shooters. Dirk's defense is not trash and stats would show that not many forwards have gone off on Dirk. Dirk guards the pick and roll well which is key. As long as Dirk doesn't have to play center he is alright on defense. Also if Dirk was double teamed he passes over the defenders since he has a height advantage. I don't see how 30 and 10 is not mvp numbers. Kobe only wished to have a month where he averaged 10 rebounds. If Kobe was double teamed how come he can't find the open player? Size makes a difference.
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