That doesn't explain why his efficiency and advanced stats make him out to be a dumpster fire.
It is hard to explain why PATFO signed up Andre Miller. If they sign K-mart, then obviously they've got info that says he'll be worth a roster spot.
Some good indicators (1) good size at 6'7" (2) career 38.5% from 3 and 87% from FT (3) averaged over 20ppg most of his career. Spurs already have LMA who is underwelming, I don't see how Martin will hurt the team.
Problem with LMA isn't LMA. It's Duncan. Duncan plays close to the paint and crowds LMA out of his sweet spots. That is why you have seen a drop in his stats since Duncan has returned. But on the flip side, the SPurs are a better defensive team with Duncan.
Martin is a defensive liability. Yes, he is a good 3 pt shooter, who can provide spacing. Plus he has better handles than Green and possibly even Kawhi. So Martin comes with a lose some give some tag. If he signs with the Spurs, it will be interesting to see how Pop uses him.
2pt FG%. That's about it. Unless you consider something to the tune of 1 apg to be a game-changer.
The Spurs don't have enough players shooting 3s, why should we worry about his 2pt FG%? Plus it's a fluke so far, could be he fell off a cliff, could just be an aberration.Yet his TS% is lower than it's been every year but his rookie season. Could it be the 38 percent he's shooting from two?
As if assists were relevant for a PG in the Spurs system. As I said, it's just a question of being able to protect the ball. If you've been watching Spurs games since Manu's injury, every time Tony isn't on the floor the Spurs seem to be playing "who can throw the tiest pass?"Martin has 2.8 assists per 100 possessions this year. To reference, Green has 3.6 ap100. They better not let that dude play point.
None of the guards/wings on the current Spurs team has any handles except Tony and Manu.
Interestingly you have to bring A/TO to the conversation instead of just looking at TO... I wonder why. He turns the ball over once in 20 minutes on average.Martin would have the worst A/TO of any Spur outside Boban and Simmons.
I'm not saying he's a great fit or even that I want him on the team, especially if Miller passes his physical. I think the Spurs played the deflection game once more, showing interest in K-Mart while aiming for Miller all along. Actually I don't think the Spurs are really interested in him, so I don't care much to know if he gets a buyout or not. But for a washed-up player I'm sure he can still contribute a thing or two.
LMA came in also with similar reputation as a poor defender. At 6'7" and having decent quickness, KMart have decent defense.
I'm just saying that the argument that K.Mart isn't worth it is total B.S. given that the Spurs are paying him next to nothing.
Answering a bit of that post and your replies to will_Spurs
Spurs would not use Martin the same way Minny is using him tbh... I don't see how his stats or his horrible season help here to understand what he could bring to the Spurs. It's a silly talk right there.
Compare David West stats in 14-15 and 15-16... dude was shooting .471 he is now .575 if you go TS% he was .5 and now he is .6... What matters in Mart case is his 3P% globally, we don't care about FTs and FTAs he won't have PT to pile up that stat. Same with his .38 on 2 pts, you think Pop is gonna let him take those mid range jumpers when his squad is already full of reliable mid range shooters ? Mart is a 22 mpg player with Minny, he would probably be a 10-15 mpg player for the Spurs to bring some 3s threat that's about it.
I'm not saying that he is a good player or denying his poor season so far but let's not dismiss his signing based on stats and usage while playing for Minny.
He can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Spurs won't ask him to be a playmaker and efficient scorer, just a 10 mn dude shooting 3s and capable to handle the ball.
Handles or not, Martin is shooting 38 percent from two this season, which would be the worst out of any Spur (yes, even worse than Green). While he hasn't been that bad for most of his career, he has been really awful at shooting from the right side of the floor inside the arc. People underestimate how limited Martin actually is.
I agree! Lot's of people arguing against this are likely brain dead.
KMart will be asked to shoot the wide open 3, not run plays. There are plenty of playmakers on the team already!
Honestly, I think if we get KMart, that'll put us over the hump over GSW. KMart is big enough to cover Livingston, which I honestly think is one of the biggest threats of GSW.
Hope we get him
It's funny how some believe their opinion is gold! Martin has specific skills the spurs can use in pressure packed situations; shooting open jumpers in the spurs system vs. having to create your own in other systems will definitely yield more positive results one can only hope.
I lost the main point in all these posts...Has Martin already been waived by the Wolves?
Minny system or lack their of, vs. the Spurs system. Only have to look at players like Neal, Beli, etc. to see how much of an impact open shots really help a players FG%.
Martin is limited but he is also a good shooter. He is basically Beli 2.0. If Spurs sign ok, if not ok. It just give Pop another shooter to work with.
K-Mart is a great shooter, the Spurs had to let Belli go to sign LMA. This is the chance to replace him. His defense won't be so important as he will be a reserve for the Spurs going against second string players, which within the Spurs system should increase his TS. However, it takes time to learn how to play for Pop. Not sure if K-Mart can have any impact for the team this season.
Why all the nonsense. Getting Martin for the league minimum is a no-brainer.
People always assume a Spurs bump, as if the system magically makes them better players. I imagine if the Spurs do want to sign Martin and give him minutes, they would give him the Beli touches. The issue is that he isn't a great spot-up guy unless he's on the left wing, and that limits his usefulness to the team (Spurs players in general already crowd the left side of the floor too much). Not to mention that his lower release point makes him less effective coming off screens (especially on the right side of the floor).
West was just in a bad position last year where he had to do it all while also coming back from an injury. In fact, in Indy in general West had to do too much, take too many shots. In SA, he's bee more selective about the long-twos he shoots. And he's getting more high-lows being on the court with Duncan and Diaw so much. He's just a much better offensive fit than Martin.
I totally think the two-pointers and free throws matter. As I said, he'll be coming in the Beli role. There were better spot-up guys to get, of they could just play Butler. They want someone who isn't just going to sit in the (left) corner and not put pressure on the defense. On paper, Martin can do a lot more with the ball than Green can. But in practice, his game is a little antiquated.What matters in Mart case is his 3P% globally, we don't care about FTs and FTAs he won't have PT to pile up that stat. Same with his .38 on 2 pts, you think Pop is gonna let him take those mid range jumpers when his squad is already full of reliable mid range shooters ?
He has a career full of reasons to dismiss his signing. But his stats from this season show why he's not as good as people remember him being. I'm not against bringing him in (even proposed trading for him in a salary dump this off-season if the Spurs lost Manu and Tim. But he's not a rotation player right now.I'm not saying that he is a good player or denying his poor season so far but let's not dismiss his signing based on stats and usage while playing for Minny.
He can physically hold onto a basketball, if that's what you mean. If you're asking him to be a worse version of Butler, I mean, you've already got Butler.He can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Spurs won't ask him to be a playmaker and efficient scorer, just a 10 mn dude shooting 3s and capable to handle the ball.
you are right. its $7.3m next year. so it can cost Minny $7.3m or a lot less if he's waived.
You being chief among them. You clearly are consulting no resources if you believe Kevin Martin is great at shooting open shots in pressure situations.
There indeed is an argument to be made of having Martin over Butler. There is however no argument if we are talking here about Bonner.
Miller and Martin vs. Ray and Bonner. Let me think about this for a minute. Bonner looks done. And with Butler and Anderson showing they can play the 4 as well, the Spurs have 5 guys in front of Bonner. He will get waived and join the FO if the Martin is waived and the Spurs sign him.
I am not a big fan of Martin, but he will provide that outside shooter the Spurs need since Beli has left. The guys is only 33.
That's like 33teen in Spurs system
The Prodigal Son stays in SA.. Bonner is about to sign a 4 year lifetime achievement contract with the Spurs, he ain't going anywhere.
Comparaison with Beli touches is fine tho. I'm fine with last sentences
Of course they matter but you don't take him for that in this stage of his career. For 10 mpg again it's not a big deal, with minny he has to create a bit for himself, SA won't ask him to do that. His FGAs will be mostly assisted. As a whole less FGAs, lower usage, more assisted = better FG%. For the record for me Mart < Beli.
His stats from this season are totally irrelevant except for 3 pts. I'm talking here on offense, on defense no need to check out stats to know he sucks. Used 10 - 15 mpg for shooting 3s with second unit he is a rotation player for the Spurs and more than that for most nba teams.
I don't ask anything tbh... I did not follow him at all this season and Idgaf tbh I'm just pointing out you cannot evaluate his potential impact based on his current performance... If signed by Spurs his role, touches, responsabilities will change drastically
Miller replaced Ray already. That's a done deal.
The open question is who Martin replaces.
Martin is fine as a 9th or 10th man, tbh, playing the role Barbosa plays for the Warriors..
Anybody calling him a "borderline All-Star" is insane, though
NBA fans and media always overrate players that have name recognition, it's very common, especially with buyout candidates..it's the only pro sport that suffers from name recognition bias, since it's a "faces and names" league..some people here still think Andre Miller can contribute, for instance, because they liked his game 5 years ago
It's probably the same fans that wanted Danny Granger or Caron Butler playing ahead of Kawhi and DG a few years ago(look up the thread, there was a lot of this
Well PATFO apparently believes Miller can still play. That is a shocker, but we will have to see!Martin is fine as a 9th or 10th man, tbh, playing the role Barbosa plays for the Warriors..
Anybody calling him a "borderline All-Star" is insane, though
NBA fans and media always overrate players that have name recognition, it's very common, especially with buyout candidates..it's the only pro sport that suffers from name recognition bias, since it's a "faces and names" league..some people here still think Andre Miller can contribute, for instance, because they liked his game 5 years ago
It's probably the same fans that wanted Danny Granger or Caron Butler playing ahead of Kawhi and DG a few years ago(look up the thread, there was a lot of this
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