Last night's game from Parker was an example of how he needs to be that 3rd scorer

[pgardn]

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

[Drom John]

Usage:

25.6% Aldridge
25.3% Leonard
24.4% Ginobili
24.3% Marjanovic
21.4% Parker
19.5% Mills
18.7% Simmons
18.0% West
17.6% Duncan
16.8% Diaw
15.0% Anderson
14.6% Bonner
14.5% Green
11.3% Miller
05.0% Martin

Minutes
1971 Leonard
1817 Aldridge
1685 Green
1603 Parker
1330 Mills
1210 Duncan
1183 Diaw
1112 West
904 Anderson
901 Ginobili
672 Simmons
340 Marjanovic
130 Bonner
48 Miller
8 Martin

[pgardn]

How the did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

No it does not...using guards who play 20 minutes?

[ElNono]

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

Patty stepped up, he single handedly extended that series with clutch shooting... Beli was pretty good too...
Somebody couldn't take advantage of an injured CP3 though...

Don't get me wrong, I want TP to do well in a different role... I think he's done as a consistent scorer and the team just has better options. He should still be a floor leader though...

[ElNono]

Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

[RD2191]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty.

Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

[pgardn]

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

So he is faking?

Because boo boos for a 33 yo PG who relies on speed and acceleration is very difficult. This is not a Nash nor a Jason Kidd type point.

[pgardn]

IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

Then what was that late streak last season and last nite. I saw fast, am I hallucinating?

[pgardn]

Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

Or just stop posting.

[RD2191]

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

Are you saying Parker stepped up?

[RD2191]

Or just stop posting.

Yes, you really should.

[Drom John]

How the did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

Defense matters. Considering playing time Rubio drops to 7th, Mills to 17th, Parker to 23rd.

I'm in the both Parker and Mills camp. The only team whose second best PG has played better than Parker is Boston, with Thomas and Smart. Teague, worse than Parker, makes the Hawks the 3rd team with two PGs in the top 30.

[Arcadian]

For all the Parker gets, he's been good for a long time. So long, he's been a member of two different Big 3s, first with Duncan/Manu, now with Leonard/Aldridge.

[pgardn]

Yes, you really should.

Oh touché Robert you witty guy.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty.

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry?

[$pursDynasty]

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.

wow a sensible objective well thought out post, EVAY you do realize that you are posting on the ST forum?

[weeks]

El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh

I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

[ElNono]

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry?

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

[ElNono]

I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

I think he's going season to season... As long as the Spurs keep calling and he's not hurt, I suspect he'll stick around.

He's been a top 5 Spurs this season, which is pretty amazing considering we're talking by far the 2nd best team in the league...

[hater]

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

I would not take Manu over Trey Burke, Etwan Moore and possibly Solomon Hill

[Proxy]

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like .

[hater]

What I wish was absent from Manu is himself late in the 4th

[Kawhitstorm]

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

Porker below Patty.

That's what happens when you get roasted by the likes of E'Twaun Moore.

[Perry Mason]

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like .

What a bunch of crap. I have yet to see all these imagined psychological faults that the remaining dregs (Apa/Harlem have moved on) of the dumb crew conjure for Tony in their own minds. Get over it guys. He was an athletic speedster, in a league with some of the fastest people on the planet. Until 2014 or so, Parker literally ran faster and harder, for longer, than any rotation player in the NBA (SportsVU confirmed).

I personally work with a trainer and physical therapist (a legit on that helps serve the Rockets) and am in my mid-30's. Little injuries pop up often and take time to go away at this age. I can't even imagine what a professional athlete goes through regimen-wise to stay in game shape.

[AFMadison]

Dabom with the meltdown. These guys would rather the Spurs lose in the finals if it meant Tony playing at a high level