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    I was just quoting his commercial
    I remember.

    James has to feel sold a bill of goods. "Return home. Win them a le. They'll worship you."

    All still may be true, but if you hate your life, what does love from the loathed matter?

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    Breaking ESPN news he apologized to the front-office for his recent behavior ... talk about a Beta personality ...he cant even express his frustrations like an alpha.
    Such a great talent ...i wish I was part of his crew I would be his hype man but a real one. or like Em's conscience when he is counseling Grady.

    "Bron, you gonna let a dude called Kiwi lock you down?1 you are top 3 all-time. Over Tim, Magic and a host of others. go at that man!!! take what is yours Dunk on these ass niccas you are the chosen one!!! you were meant to bring balance to the force!!!!

    How much do you think I could get to be Lebron's ego fluffer?

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    I'm not a LeBron apologist. But dude was never allowed to be his own person or players. From the second he was drafted it was always him as the ty city's savior. It's the only right he can do. All else is failure. How many others have been that?

    Woulda been something to see him go to another team early.

    Maybe it turns out the same. He doesn't seem to handle expectations well, especially when they aren't consistently being achieved.

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...ams-always-win

    Five Dream Teams that failed spectacularly
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    Cleveland Cavaliers forward LeBron James said he wants to play alongside Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade before their careers end.

    It's a tantalizing prospect for basketball observers -- and likely a frightening scenario for players who aren't able to join forces with them. Still, a monumental collection of talent doesn't guarantee ultimate success. History tells us that lofty expectations, injuries and downright dysfunction can torpedo great teams.

    So maybe LeBron should be careful of what he wishes for as we revisit five Dream Teams that failed to realize their championship aspirations:

    2012-13 Los Angeles Lakers

    The Lakers were two years removed from repeating as NBA champions when they boldly acquired superstars Dwight Howard and Steve Nash to join an existing core of Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Metta World Peace. Instead of returning to the top of the NBA, the team fired head coach Mike Brown after a 1-4 start and was later decimated by injuries. Mike D'Antoni replaced Brown, and the Lakers reached the playoffs as the seventh seed in the West before being swept by the San Antonio Spurs in the first round. Howard signed with the Houston Rockets as a free agent after the season amid speculation that he and Bryant couldn't coexist.


    2011 Philadelphia Eagles

    After quarterback Vince Young signed with Philadelphia to back up Michael Vick, Young infamously dubbed the Eagles as a "Dream Team." Heading into that season, Philly also acquired Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Ronnie Brown to bolster a nucleus that included Vick, DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy and Asante Samuel. Instead of winning their first Super Bowl championship, the Eagles lost four of their first five games and were 4-8 on Dec. 1. Four consecutive victories to close the season weren't enough to earn a playoff berth, and head coach Andy Reid lasted only one more season before Chip Kelly arrived and began overturning the roster.


    2004 New York Yankees

    Even by the Yankees' standards, the infusion of talent for the 2004 season was extraordinary. The franchise hadn't won the World Series since 2000, and it was determined to return to its rightful spot atop the baseball world. The Yankees added Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown, Jon Lieber and Javier Vazquez to a roster already boasting Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui and Mike Mussina. Holy S---! Few remember the 101 games Yankees won that year, as the team unforgettably lost the American League Championship Series to the Boston Red Sox in seven games after winning the first three.


    2003-04 Los Angeles Lakers

    After failing to win a fourth consecutive NBA championship in 2003, the Lakers lured future Hall of Famers Gary Payton and Karl Malone aboard to join Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal. Surely, the rest of the NBA -- and possibly the entire known universe -- would be punished for interrupting such a ferocious dynasty. As it turned out, a pivotal injury to Malone and eroding chemistry hurt the Lakers, who lost in five games to the gritty Detroit Pistons. Even the soothing Zen teachings of Phil Jackson couldn't detoxify a team fraught with dysfunction. By the time the Lakers tipped off the 2004-05 season, O'Neal, Payton, Malone and Jackson were no longer with the organization.


    1980 U.S.S.R. Olympic ice hockey team

    How dominant was the juggernaut Soviet team that lost in the medal round to a roster of plucky American amateurs and college kids? Consider that the U.S.S.R. had won gold in the four prior Olympics -- and in the previous 17 world championships -- the Soviets had won 14 golds, two silvers and one bronze. Nevertheless, the Americans won 4-3 to pull off one of the greatest upsets in sports history. If you're too young to know about this story, school yourself and watch the movie "Miracle."

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    Holy if lbrn leaves again

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    I'm not a LeBron apologist. But dude was never allowed to be his own person or players. From the second he was drafted it was always him as the ty city's savior. It's the only right he can do. All else is failure. How many others have been that?

    Woulda been something to see him go to another team early.

    Maybe it turns out the same. He doesn't seem to handle expectations well, especially when they aren't consistently being achieved.
    Great point. not only did he have the city's hopes on his shoulders but he also has had more early hype and expectations than any athlete ... outside of Tiger right off the bat and he has met our exceeded MOST expectations. Still think he missed a shot at being the GOAt and obviously he is 0 for Cleveland but overall he has been a huge success as a player.

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    No. It's psychological now for Cavs Fan. It's beyond reason & sense.

    Just leave them be.
    They were selling your

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    Outside of some ghost-written, self-felating, return of the king puff piece, where is the evidence he truly cares for anything about that area.

    , after Delonte West, I'm not even sure he likes his mom.

    Cleveland now reminds him of Cleveland then...

    That is to say his failures to win a le now remind him of his failures to win a le then.

    James isn't the type of person to confront failure with a man in the mirror moment.

    He fled the first time because his heart and mind said to.

    His final 2009 game he walked off the court removing his jersey after a surprise playoff defeat.

    Now he's digitally removing Cleveland from contacts, and host of other pseudo-aggressive, passive-assertive .

    He's got his rings. He's seeing he's not winning anymore.

    He doesn't want to stop playing, but he's already quit this team.

    Whatever he does going forward is about him.

    He's over it. I think he's content to be a tier-2 superstar.

    Credit to a Kobe, Duncan, and even a Curry, but those two aren't settling for less than what they know they should achieve. Should. Not could. Should. They expect it. When they had bodies that allowed it, they did everything they could to make it happen.

    Gonna have to see. But I think he's checked out.
    Damn that's harsh. And I can't argue with any of it.

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    Great point. not only did he have the city's hopes on his shoulders but he also has had more early hype and expectations than any athlete ... outside of Tiger right off the bat and he has met our exceeded MOST expectations. Still think he missed a shot at being the GOAt and obviously he is 0 for Cleveland but overall he has been a huge success as a player.
    From opening tip it has been about the city has lacked a le for 50 years.

    Tiger certainly had his burden, namely racial in a white sport, so I won't diminish, but most black people weren't watching golf early on in his career to expect greatness. By the time they expected it, Tiger was already great.

    LeBron was "The Chosen One" on Sports Illustrated at 16.

    Some of it's his own fault, allowing it, cultivating it.

    But he was equal parts Magic and Michael as a prep player. There was never a question of whether he'd be great, but rather exactly what great would be defined as once he was through raising the bar. He wasn't allowed to develop. He had to carry the entire city/region as a dominant star. His first commercial was a his "frozen, deer in headlights" commercial where announcers wondered if the game was too big for him. His second commercial was him onstage being named King James with his own gospel of "pass, pass, pass..."

    He was never allowed to just be what he could grow into naturally.

    Jordan got that. Kobe got it.

    This isn't an excuse. He's had every opportunity and he's choked on several, run from others, and played Beta-Alpha in Miami.

    He's made his bed.

    But what if he was like Steph Curry's ascension? What if he had the time to develop rather unassumingly, as just another talented player?

    For better or worse or for the good, the bad, and the ugly, James mirrors Cleveland: had great potential at one time, but a lack of vision has seen its best potential maximized elsewhere and squandered there.

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    From opening tip it has been about the city has lacked a le for 50 years.

    Tiger certainly had his burden, namely racial in a white sport, so I won't diminish, but most black people weren't watching golf early on in his career to expect greatness. By the time they expected it, Tiger was already great.

    LeBron was "The Chosen One" on Sports Illustrated at 16.

    Some of it's his own fault, allowing it, cultivating it.

    But he was equal parts Magic and Michael as a prep player. There was never a question of whether he'd be great, but rather exactly what great would be defined as once he was through raising the bar. He wasn't allowed to develop. He had to carry the entire city/region as a dominant star. His first commercial was a his "frozen, deer in headlights" commercial where announcers wondered if the game was too big for him. His second commercial was him onstage being named King James with his own gospel of "pass, pass, pass..."

    He was never allowed to just be what he could grow into naturally.

    Jordan got that. Kobe got it.

    This isn't an excuse. He's had every opportunity and he's choked on several, run from others, and played Beta-Alpha in Miami.

    He's made his bed.

    But what if he was like Steph Curry's ascension? What if he had the time to develop rather unassumingly, as just another talented player?

    For better or worse or for the good, the bad, and the ugly, James mirrors Cleveland: had great potential at one time, but a lack of vision has seen its best potential maximized elsewhere and squandered there.
    More great points. I agree with you he cultivated a lot of this on his own with the chosen one tattoo, plenty of questionable decisions. So no excuses ...
    But considering all the hype, pressure etc. He has been more good overall than bad.
    He also was the game's best player in a social media age that if Jordan had faced his legacy is just a bit different. he still would be GOAT but he was mostly protected by the press. Lebron is loved by the nerds in the media but the old school guys not just SKip view him unfairly due to the cult of Jordan prism.

    What if Lebron pre-dated Jordan? would people view him differently?

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    But what if he was like Steph Curry's ascension? What if he had the time to develop rather unassumingly, as just another talented player?
    It was never going to be that way, though. I mean, Steph Curry didn't get a single major-college scholarship offer coming out of high school- IIRC the only three offers he got were from Davidson, Virginia Commonwealth and VMI. Just a total apples-and-oranges comparison.

    Back in the day LeBron would have gone to college and played for someone like Dean Smith for 2-3 years. I think that's a crucial stage in a player's development that he missed out on, and I think LeBron himself would admit as much.

    As for the Cleveland thing... I do think LeBron resented the pressure to break the city's le drought. Like, "I have enough on my plate already- why do I have to make up for Marty going into the Prevent against John Elway, or Byner carrying the ball like a loaf of bread on the goal line, or Mesa being afraid to throw his fastball in the ninth inning against the Marlins? That isn't in my job description" And if that's the way he feels/felt, I honesty don't blame him.

    At the same time, though, that burden goes with the territory here, fair or not. And hey, LeBron didn't have to come back. He could have stayed in Miami and nobody would have thought poorly of him for doing so.

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    Yeah... All that. Just saying he never played a game where he wasn't expected to redefine great, or a season where an entire region's sports failings werent thrust upon him as a sacrifial lamb, an involuntary penance that rights those wrongs unto triumph.

    If he had to fight to be great, he'd want it more.

    Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team.
    Kobe had to play second fiddle for years.
    Curry had to claw himself to the top.

    James was announced, anointed, and apprised. He had no choice in the expectations laid upon him.

    He embraced all the good that brought, but never developed the at ude to conquer it.

    That's probably why he thrived. Beta-Alpha was a good role for him.

    Wade was a vocal alpha leader, James the alpha talent.

    It worked.

    James is fooling himself if he thinks Carmelo and Paul can replicate Wade.

    Or maybe he doesn't give a , and he just wants to have fun with friends.

    Ultimately he doesn't have the focus, the heart, or the will to bend the League to his talent.

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    Breaking ESPN news he apologized to the front-office for his recent behavior ... talk about a Beta personality ...he cant even express his frustrations like an alpha.
    Such a great talent ...i wish I was part of his crew I would be his hype man but a real one. or like Em's conscience when he is counseling Grady.

    "Bron, you gonna let a dude called Kiwi lock you down?1 you are top 3 all-time. Over Tim, Magic and a host of others. go at that man!!! take what is yours Dunk on these ass niccas you are the chosen one!!! you were meant to bring balance to the force!!!!

    How much do you think I could get to be Lebron's ego fluffer?


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    Nothing against Lebron I just don't get this mentality. I like the fact that players these days aren't sociopaths, but that doesn't mean you can't still have a killer instinct on court and also be homies off of it.

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    A reminder to Lebron that super teams don't always win it all.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...ams-always-win

    Great piece. Unfortunately only 2 of the 5 teams were basketball teams.

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    That team wouldnt be scary at all those dudes would be way past their primes

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    He unfollowed the Cavs from Instagram and now this...really weird man. Even by Lebron standards

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    if those s go to Clippers

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    if those s go to Clippers
    LeBron would never leave the Eastern Conference

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    Considering their age/milage, this is going to end up like the Rockets "super team" of Hakeem/Clyde/Pippen/Barkley.

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    Lol Bosh, Lol LeBron, Lol James Jones, lol this acctually could happen in Cleveland via trades

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    How good would they actually be?

    Not sure they are better than current Spurs or Dubs. (who would handle the ball?, Melos D, system)

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