life on other planets infinitely impossible or rather, probable?

[pgardn]

I don't care what anyone says about time, they live here not out there.

Look at what we have today compared to 1000 years ago. Where was science then compared to today? Now where will things be 1000 years from now. Wil there be new discovers, if not then why not stop searching? We don't know how things might be like out in the vastness of space.

Think how puny we are when looking at the big picture but we know how it all works Did we know how it all worked 1000 years ago?

Speaking of Einstein, he did say this....

1. Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

That's exactly the point, out there. So you don't care what anyone says yet you quote Einstein. But don't give a damn about how his theories are incredibly and increasingly PREDICTIVE. So by observing modeling and experimenting, actual finding something predictive does not impress you at all?
What does the idea that we will learn to change our ideas about the way we perceive phenomenon change have to do with anything? This is how we appear to work, we will change our ideas after actually attempting to observe, model, and experiment. You can't handle this and think it's all useless?

Yes Einstein said this. Because when he saw that phenomenon could be fit to math he got very excited and tried to unify things using his ideas and it did not work.

He also said God does not play dice.

What in your opinion was he referring to?

[Avante]

That's exactly the point, out there. So you don't care what anyone says yet you quote Einstein. But don't give a damn about how his theories are incredibly and increasingly PREDICTIVE. So by observing modeling and experimenting, actual finding something predictive does not impress you at all?
What does the idea that we will learn to change our ideas about the way we perceive phenomenon change have to do with anything? This is how we appear to work, we will change our ideas after actually attempting to observe, model, and experiment. You can't handle this and think it's all useless?

Yes Einstein said this. Because when he saw that phenomenon could be fit to math he got very excited and tried to unify things using his ideas and it did not work.

He also said God does not play dice.

What in your opinion was he referring to?

Isn't it....God does not play dice with the Universe? But I've never delved into that so..? I would suppose it's something about being a non gambler.

My thing is how can we really think mere man has the answers to to the vastness of something we can't even fathom the size of? There could be places out there so far off what we know it's ridiculous. Their day is a month by our standards, the beings? drink but don't eat and they never age.....and on and on...

This idea that we have found the answers to how things are out there is silly. I am talking about other galaxies.

Barsoom in the Tureaud galaxy is ruled by a warrior tribe called the Venuatians. They move about on gliders and require no sleep as we know it. They evolved from what we think of as seaweed........Einstein?

[pgardn]

Isn't it....God does not play dice with the Universe? But I've never delved into that so..? I would suppose it's something about being a non gambler.

My thing is how can we really think mere man has the answers to to the vastness of something we can't even fathom the size of? There could be places out there so far off what we know it's ridiculous. Their day is a month by our standards, the beings? drink but don't eat and they never age.....and on and on...

This idea that we have found the answers to how things are out there is silly. I am talking about other galaxies.

Barsoom in the Tureaud galaxy is ruled by a warrior tribe called the Venuatians. They move about on gliders and require no sleep as we know it. They evolved from what we think of as seaweed........Einstein?

First of all we know A decent amount about other galaxies. They are observable. Do you mean other universes?

Einstein did not like the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics so he was in a way dissatisfied that the stuff actually worked in predicting behavior of nature on the level of the tiny. Which seems not to interest you. you like "way out there", "vastness"... what about the other way round? How about reducing things to the tiniest? Why no interest? Where is the creativity? Why don't you bother to think about this level?

We don't have all the answers and never will IMO.

But that does not mean we just make up while inebriated.
Or pontificate upon topics that we have not even bothered to read what others, who have spent their lifetime thinking about, have had to say about it. I guess I should just go into a session with the greatest guitarists gathered and tell them how they have got it all wrong having never even picked up an instrument. You feel comfy with this.

[Avante]

Einstein did not like the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics so he was in a way dissatisfied that the stuff actually worked in predicting behavior of nature on the level of the tiny. Which seems not to interest you. you like "way out there", "vastness"... what about the other way round? How about reducing things to the tiniest? Why no interest? Where is the creativity? Why don't you bother to think about this level?

We don't have all the answers and never will IMO.

But that does not mean we just make up while inebriated.
Or pontificate upon topics that we have not even bothered to read what others, who have spent their lifetime thinking about, have had to say about it. I guess I should just go into a session with the greatest guitarists gathered and tell them how they have got it all wrong having never even picked up an instrument. You feel comfy with this.

Now that's interesting....the tiniest....hmmm? That has never crossed my mind, but now that it has, what do I do with it?

I do play the harmonica and can manage some slide guitar

[pgardn]

...enjoying the perceived thinking "outside the box" in which the interest of the limitations of said box completely escape some. I mean if one has no idea how big the box is how do think outside of it?

I bet some on this board take their big step without giving the box a second thought.

[Avante]

Not sure we are talking about the same box. You are going off into things that have little to do with the topic.

[pgardn]

Now that's interesting....the tiniest....hmmm? That has never crossed my mind, but now that it has, what do I do with iT?

Maybe try reading about it as others have spent their lifetime thinking about something that has not crossed your mind?

Nahhh, just make something up... Just walk into the middle of the movie.

[pgardn]

Not sure we are talking about the same box. You are going off into things that have little to do with the topic.

Understanding the box is understanding what/ how we can sense the world around us, how we filter and process that information, and how we react and use what we have already altered.
How we think.
You imagine that might be important?
Trying to understand ourselves?
Before we just start making up.

[Avante]

Maybe try reading about it as others have spent their lifetime thinking about something that has not crossed your mind?

Nahhh, just make something up... Just walk into the middle of the movie.

Why are you so aggressive about things, relax, ok?

Since you can't be cool, I'll wrap this up with you. I was looking for some real talk not internet silliness because you can.

See ya!

[pgardn]

Why are you so aggressive about things, relax, ok?

Since you can't be cool, I'll wrap this up with you. I was looking for some real talk not internet silliness because you can.

See ya!

Have you ever thought that what you perceive about the mood of someone typing on basketball message board might be completely wrong?

Sorry. I must apologize. You are not interested.
I was under the impression that you liked to read about and learn everything you could.


But that was only track.

[Avante]

Ok, moving on.

When "they" were here long ago, as some think, imagine just how far superior they must be today than back then. Did they find us so inferior they lost interest? Those UFO's we see today are others who are just now figuring us out.

[RandomGuy]

We live in a physical world with its four known space-time dimensions of length, width, height (or depth) and time. The God of the Bible, however, dwells in a different dimension—the spirit realm—beyond the natural perception of our physical senses. It’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of Him not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world

Soooo how do you know all this? Seems like a pretty big claim.

BTW, there are more than four dimensions.

Where is the spirit realm? Can we go there?

If we can't, why not?

How do we differentiate your bull claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bull claims?

[TDMVPDPOY]

they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

[Avante]

Soooo how do you know all this? Seems like a pretty big claim.

BTW, there are more than four dimensions.

Where is the spirit realm? Can we go there?

If we can't, why not?

How do we differentiate your bull claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bull claims?

That was a quote showing another way to go with this. In a room of 50 people we will have 40 different opinions. Sure a few agreeing.

[RandomGuy]

How do we differentiate your bull claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bull claims?

That was a quote showing another way to go with this. In a room of 50 people we will have 40 different opinions. Sure a few agreeing.

That is generally why I treat such claims as bull . Everybody always claims to have THE right opinion about their unfalsifiable, unscientific claims.

Science is the only way we really have to sort through what is true or not in any meaningful way.

[RandomGuy]

they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

[Avante]

How do we differentiate your bull claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bull claims?



That is generally why I treat such claims as bull . Everybody always claims to have THE right opinion about their unfalsifiable, unscientific claims.

Science is the only way we really have to sort through what is true or not in any meaningful way.

Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong. We don't know what's really out there so we guess and speculate. And it's fun, do you ever have any fun, you come off as a robot. You ever smile?

[Avante]

We are like a pebble on a beach thinking we have the answers to all those other pebbles, ha~~~ We can only use the info we have available to us right now. And as we have learned over the years we never have it all. There are things we will learn in the future as we always have. Who thinks things will be the same 100 from now when it comes to anything?

The size of the Universe alone tells us just how puny we are. But we know it all, no we don't and never will. So for anyone to play, well Einstein said, the guy couldn't even figure out his family life.

We have no idea what's really going on out there when it comes to time, distance, alien beings etc and it should be obvious. All we know is what our limitations are, and how many times have those changed?

[Blake]

Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong.

Therefore, your opinion is as good as scientific research.

You're so stupid.

[Avante]

To those out there.

I apologize for Blake, I simply can't deal with his stupidity and need to be a pest any longer, so I have decided to ignore him. So expect to see him tagging along behind me everywhere I go now. Sorry gang.

[RandomGuy]

Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong. We don't know what's really out there so we guess and speculate. And it's fun, do you ever have any fun, you come off as a robot. You ever smile?

Science has been wrong about things yes.

The part that makes it useful is the self-correcting mechanism.

That has made it a lot more right about than religion ever has been. The earth goes around the sun these days, not vice versa, and it took science clobbering religion over the head to get religion to piss off into a deserved corner with a dunce cap, so that it would STFU about trying to describe the universe.

[Avante]

Science has been wrong about things yes.

The part that makes it useful is the self-correcting mechanism.

That has made it a lot more right about than religion ever has been. The earth goes around the sun these days, not vice versa, and it took science clobbering religion over the head to get religion to piss off into a deserved corner with a dunce cap, so that it would STFU about trying to describe the universe.

Religion is just another option, it's no more certain of anything than science is. I'm not religious I assumed you knew that. I just point out how others do see things differently..

[RandomGuy]

Religion is just another option, it's no more certain of anything than science is.

Not to hear people like RD and Phenomanul talk. They KNOW for 100% certain all sorts of things, or claim they do.

Science is far superior in getting right than religion. Unless you still think the sun goes around a flat earth?

[pgardn]

they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

No "they" don't. Not the science theys...

Yes. Go suggest your experiment. Off to the left.

[Avante]

Not to hear people like RD and Phenomanul talk. They KNOW for 100% certain all sorts of things, or claim they do.

Science is far superior in getting right than religion. Unless you still think the sun goes around a flat earth?

I know a few people who would take you to school drop you off then pick you up and bring you home in a debate about religion vs science....trust me. Just think you vs me talking 1928 Alabama blues.

Science doesn't have all the answers if they did then they could stop being scientists, right?