View Poll Results: Who is the better player?

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  • Kawhi Leonard

    70 44.59%
  • LeBron James

    87 55.41%
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  1. #101
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    This isn't about Curry or Parker, it's about LeBron. And the one thing you can't get around is that 46% of LeBron's shots were from inside 3 feet, at a .722 FG% - PLUS all the FT's he got to shoot because of those shots. I'm not disrespecting Kawhi, but a guy who can consistently get to the rim and finish gets the team a LOT of easy, high-percentage points. And high-percentage shooting means fewer empty possessions, and fewer chances for the other team to run on the defensive rebounds.

    Like it or not, 3-pointers are high-variance. You may score more points per possession, but you have a lot more possessions where you don't score. Like I said above, in a tight game, give me the high-percentage, low-variance shot every time. In any game against Golden State, give me the high-percentage, low-variance shot every time. Yes, there are a lot of ways to generate offense, but layups and dunks are better than the rest. One of the biggest benefits of shooting 3-pointers is that (hopefully) they stretch the defense, and allow you to get more layups and dunks.
    Good point and I think that easy shots made under the basket should be the next evolution of Kawhis game. Having said that how many of Lebrons layups are in halfcourt sets, the key to playoff basketball? Im sure the % goes down drastically.

    Yes Lebron is the better basketball player but Kawhi makes up so much ground for being more fundamentally sound. Kawhi cant get to the rack as easily but he has a better post up game, the easiest way to score in the halfcourt set. And hes also a better 3 pt shooter and spot up 3 pt shooter.

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    Kawhi is the best perimeter defender in the NBA right now, and a Top 5 player overall this season.

    LeBron is one of the best basketball players OF ALL TIME and a LOCK for the HOF.

    Kawhi is still young, so he has plenty of time to build his resume.
    Facts.

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    Career is obviously Lebron but THIS year, it's Kawhi.

    Even when you look at scoring you can argue in favor of Kawhi tbh when you factor usage and minutes played. Per 36 their scoring is quite close, 23 vs. 25, then you notice Kawhi has a TS% at .616 and Lebron at .588 gap is not that unsignificant.

    Now gap is wider in terms of playmakings of course Lebron also play like a PG and has a lot the ball in his hands which explain part of the assists numbers in his favor.

    Now at this point of their career I take Kawhi on defense in a heartbeat: same rebounds per 36, advantage Kawhi on steals and then all defensive metrics are in favor of Kawhi.

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    I wouldn't say we have a lot of guys taking pressure off him, just LMA.
    He's surrounded by excellent defenders, excellent passers, the best and deepest bench in the league, great three point shooters, incredibly experienced veteran teammates that support him, plus a system that's made to allow him to flourish in his spots. What makes his offense favorable in comparison to LBJ is the system and Kawhi's discipline in utilizing it, which is a plus, not a minus.

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    Nope

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    The only difference between the two is consistency. That's always been KL's downfall. Doing it on a nightly basis. So based on that, you have to go with LBJ.

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    To all those who answered no to this question:

    If given the chance, would you trade Kawhi for LeBron straight up right now?
    Last edited by Uriel; 04-25-2016 at 10:27 AM.

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    To all those who said answered no to this question:

    If given the chance, would you trade Kawhi for LeBron straight up right now?
    Of course not. Kawhi is 6-7 years younger LeBron is already 31 and declining.

    Besides, I don't think LeBron would fit in as well here. Parker/LeBron/LMA is a horrible fit

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    Kawhi is the best perimeter defender in the NBA right now, and a Top 5 player overall this season.

    LeBron is one of the best basketball players OF ALL TIME and a LOCK for the HOF.

    Kawhi is still young, so he has plenty of time to build his resume.

    This is the correct answer. Why it took 4 pages to get here is beyond me, but /thread.

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    Sorry for the trouble brah. I wanted to PM yiu but the mods disabled my profile and pms. I am 20% banned basically.
    it's cool, takes 2 secs..

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    Of course not. Kawhi is 6-7 years younger LeBron is already 31 and declining.

    Besides, I don't think LeBron would fit in as well here. Parker/LeBron/LMA is a horrible fit
    I mean, just for the rest of this playoff run. Would you trade Kawhi for LeBron straight up for just this season?

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    This is the correct answer. Why it took 4 pages to get here is beyond me, but /thread.
    Check post 20, scro.

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    Shooting is similar, defense is similar, off the ball Kawhi is better. On the ball, LBJ is far better.

    The offense flows through LBJ for the cavs, for the Spurs it flows through and usually ends up in Kawhis hands.

    LBJ is a far better franchise player. Kawhi is a far better cog in nearly every team.

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    LeBron is better now and Kawhi will likely never reach the level LeBron is currently at.

    Kawhi may eventually be better. . .when LeBron declines.

    Questions like that are going to make people on Kawhi rather than respect him tbh.

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    To all those who answered no to this question:

    If given the chance, would you trade Kawhi for LeBron straight up right now?

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    To all those who answered no to this question:

    If given the chance, would you trade Kawhi for LeBron straight up right now?
    No ing way. No one would unless they're an idiot. That's the question you should've asked in the 1st place. Back to the point, whether it's fair or not, Lebron gets all the calls while Kawhi gets on by the refs. Another reason, why Lebron is better NOW. This isn't a hypothetical none of this all things considered equal...because they're not in the eyes of the refs and that's all that matters.

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    He's surrounded by excellent defenders
    Only two. Tim and Danny.

    I didn't expect LMA would play that good on D, so glad to see his hustle/defensive effort, but I wouldn't say he's "excellent" (yet).


    great three point shooters,
    At this point of the season, I'm starting to think that "crazy" J.R., me-me Irving and even Love are better shooters than our guys

    Of course, playing for Pop is a plus, but again, on the offensive end only LMA takes pressure off him...LeBron has at least two or three guys who can score 20 points a game. Kawhi doesn't.

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    Bwawawawawawahhh . Of course Lebron >>>>> Kawhi

    Kawhi has proven he cannot carry a team through any series

    Spursfans are so adorable

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    Only two. Tim and Danny.

    I didn't expect LMA would play that good on D, so glad to see his hustle/defensive effort, but I wouldn't say he's "excellent" (yet).
    Aldridge had a higher defensive rating than Green this year, and there were several other guys who were all in the top 20 in defensive rating this year, including Tony Parker.

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    Leonard has the higher upside and he competes in the toughest conference in the league. Lebron dominates the weaker teams that actually pad his stats by staying in the East

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    Aldridge had a higher defensive rating than Green this year, and there were several other guys who were all in the top 20 in defensive rating this year, including Tony Parker.
    I always say that LMA is a DREAM addition but he's not a better defender than Danny. I can't help but think that you're saying/believing Parker is "an excellent" defender"..."top 20" defender in the league.

    Damn...

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    ripping my old avi tbh

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    and I could understand if you made this thread earlier in the year, but since the ASB Lebron has been doing really good. Shoot, it was just last finals that people were talking about giving him the finals MVP in a losing effort.

    when you go to that many straight finals and still put up that level of performance without injury, you're invaluable.

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    Aldridge had a higher defensive rating than Green this year, and there were several other guys who were all in the top 20 in defensive rating this year, including Tony Parker.
    because defensive rating is primarily a team stat

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    I wouldn't say we have a lot of guys taking pressure off him, just LMA.

    LeBron has other two guys scoring over 20 ppg in 3 games this series, Kawhi...no one...zero...0.

    LeBron averages 23 ppg in 41 mpg against Detroit, Kawhi 21.5 ppg in 33 mpg

    Yep, we can say..."just the Grizz" but Kawhi won't have other two guys scoring that much against OKC (only LMA), LeBron will have those guys in the 2nd round.
    Tbh the mental pressure of having to carry an entire ing city on your back is much worse than anything Kawhi has to deal with. He couldn't do what Lebron did the last finals.

    Or , maybe he could. Do autistic people even feel pressure?

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