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    "There's a lot of this feeling about violence coming from Trump's campaign," he said. "And I very much hope that he understands that in a democracy, people should be allowed to go to anybody's rally, peacefully demonstrate without fear of being beaten up. So I really hope he tones it down. This is not good for the country."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-s...ot-what-we-do/

    Cause of course when Trump is making the accusations you are claiming, the press isn't going to ask about it. . . . .

    Dip is as dip does.

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    Are they condoning it?
    I've searched and haven't found anything from Sanders or Clinton speaking out against the violence from their supporters. Staying silent does not look good.
    That's neither the same nor as newsworthy as openly encouraging it.

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    "There's a lot of this feeling about violence coming from Trump's campaign," he said. "And I very much hope that he understands that in a democracy, people should be allowed to go to anybody's rally, peacefully demonstrate without fear of being beaten up. So I really hope he tones it down. This is not good for the country."

    Agreed Bernie, people should be allowed to go to anybody's rally, peacefully demonstrate without fear of being beaten up.












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    everyone knows that if you are fearful of being beaten up, you carry!

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    To OP's point..why the lack of media attention? The punch thrown by a Trump supporter was played on repeat for a week.
    That is all in your head.

    A rather classic case of confirmation bias. You remember the things that confirm your beliefs, "the 'media' is against my viewpoint", and forget the things that conflict with them "the coverage was appropriate, and based on importance/ratings".

    People like you believe "the media" is horribly biased because "the media" has the gall to actually show you information you might not agree with, and don't endlessly parrot/confirm your pre-existing viewpoints, like the talking heads/radio hosts you tend to get most of your information from.

    American conservatives live in a bubble of their own making, then cry when facts and reality intrude, and "the media" might show them something that makes them think.

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    Nope, OP nailed it.
    That is all in your head.

    A rather classic case of confirmation bias. You remember the things that confirm your beliefs, "the 'media' is against my viewpoint", and forget the things that conflict with them "the coverage was appropriate, and based on importance/ratings".



    People like you believe "the media" is horribly biased because "the media" has the gall to actually show you information you might not agree with, and don't endlessly parrot/confirm your pre-existing viewpoints, like the talking heads/radio hosts you tend to get most of your information from.

    American conservatives live in a bubble of their own making, then cry when facts and reality intrude, and "the media" might show them something that makes them think.
    the media isn't biased

    And please do tell, which radio show hosts do I listen to for the 5 minute drive home from work. I'll give you a hint, I'm on the road home at 3:30 pm and it's an AM station based out of Los Angeles.

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    Clocks ticking...almost 3:30 here and I'm about to get a dose of my radical right wing radio show

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    im sure there's a fallacy here somewhere
    Yes, that's a legit ad homenim. An abusive one at that. You hear it cried out so much by pseudo-intellectuals that it becomes easy to forget what one looks like sometimes.

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    im sure there's a fallacy here somewhere
    legit ad hominem: it really did seem like TSA was defending Hastert.

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    Nope, OP nailed it.

    the media isn't biased

    And please do tell, which radio show hosts do I listen to for the 5 minute drive home from work. I'll give you a hint, I'm on the road home at 3:30 pm and it's an AM station based out of Los Angeles.
    Mah, I'm just being a rant-y jackass. Never mind the bile. Years of frustration boils over occasionally.

    Honestly looked into the OP, it deserves a bit of actual honest discussion. Not sure when I have time, but it is worth getting some time to, IMO.

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    Sorry I just don't trust the partisan musings of a person who said things like this in reference to underage boys who were sexually assaulted

    Don't know about "obviously consented" but it sure reads like it was a couple of gay boys consenting to massages and happy endings.
    The "went to get a massage to lose weight" had me chuckling.
    The guy is still a molester and I'm glad he got caught, but I just don't buy a 17 year old going in for a weight loss massage was forced to get his sucked.
    Can a sexual assault occur even if both participants are willing yes or no?
    You are going in circles here. He is a molester, he did committ a sexual assault. I think they were both willing.
    Now if anyone can find similar defense for liberal or avowed democrats who have ADMITTED molesting children, I'll change my position. Until then, I don't believe a word TSA has to say when it comes to partisan politics. My personal preference though

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    legit ad hominem: it really did seem like TSA was defending Hastert.
    "Legit ad homenim" means that it's actually a fallacy, not just an insult that gets called one by psuedo-intellectuals. Shas is legitimately trying to argue that TSA's character discredits his argument, and it's completely absurd, because TSA's potential support pedophiles has nothing to do with the fact that Trump protesters may be more violent than they're believed to be.

    This is an example of a fallacious argument, and people should take notes so they don't keep mixing it up. No amount of "evidence" to support the pedophile angle makes the argument more legitimate. In fact, I'm pretty sure the constructive in this thread isn't even being disputed anymore.

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    I mean yeah, my main goal was to spread the word that TSA (and CosmicCowboy) are pedo-defenders. But it's not entirely absurd to use a person's bias as evidence that their beliefs and thoughts on other issues are also biased.

    Leftist violence epidemic

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    TSA and CosmicCowboy, every Saturday morning they are...

    THE PEDO-DEFENDER BRIGADE. Watch as they twist and turn to defend a man who sexually molested young boys. Marvel at their willingness to imagine boys enjoying sexual interactions with an adult male. Don't forget to DVR the adventures of the Pedo-Defender Brigade.

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    I mean yeah, my main goal was to spread the word that TSA (and CosmicCowboy) are pedo-defenders. But it's not entirely absurd to use a person's bias as evidence that their beliefs and thoughts on other issues are also biased.

    Leftist violence epidemic
    Exactly how what pedophilia cause bias in relation to this particular thread topic

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    Exactly how what pedophilia cause bias in relation to this particular thread topic
    They defended Hastert because he self identifies as a conservative. Hence me asking for evidence they've defended any liberals who were accused of, and then admitted to being child molesters. Why else would they defend a child molester unless they also think it's cool to molest young boys.

    Get it?

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    They defended Hastert because he self identifies as a conservative. Hence me asking for evidence they've defended any liberals who were accused of, and then admitted to being child molesters. Why else would they defend a child molester unless they also think it's cool to molest young boys.

    Get it?
    that didn't answer my question. the discussion here is about violence at rallies, and you're somehow trying to tie pedophilia into it

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    that didn't answer my question. the discussion here is about violence at rallies, and you're somehow trying to tie pedophilia into it
    I guess you don't get it.

    Partisan bias. Need me to give examples or something?

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    Sorry I just don't trust the partisan musings of a person who said things like this in reference to underage boys who were sexually assaulted
    After going through this thread and taking the time to quote all of this I am amazed you still think I was defending him. Right there in your quotes I'm saying he is a molester, I'm glad he got caught, he did commit a sexual assault etc.

    Answer this question, can a sexual assault occur even if both participants are willing yes or no?
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    They defended Hastert because he self identifies as a conservative. Hence me asking for evidence they've defended any liberals who were accused of, and then admitted to being child molesters. Why else would they defend a child molester unless they also think it's cool to molest young boys.

    Get it?
    You thought I made my comments based on his political affiliation? My comments were based strictly on the 17 year old being old enough to decide whether or not he wanted brains from another man.

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    I guess you don't get it.

    Partisan bias. Need me to give examples or something?
    Bump that thread if you really want to discuss it, you are ting up this one.

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    Mah, I'm just being a rant-y jackass. Never mind the bile. Years of frustration boils over occasionally.

    Honestly looked into the OP, it deserves a bit of actual honest discussion. Not sure when I have time, but it is worth getting some time to, IMO.
    there is merit to the OP as he's not talking about terrorist attacks like some in this thread tried to equate the rally violence to.

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    After going through this thread and taking the time to quote all of this I am amazed you still think I was defending him. Right there in your quotes I'm saying he is a molester, I'm glad he got caught, he did commit a sexual assault etc.

    Answer this question, can a sexual assault occur even if both participants are willing yes or no?
    You thought I made my comments based on his political affiliation? My comments were based strictly on the 17 year old being old enough to decide whether or not he wanted brains from another man.
    Summary: As long as we say we're not doing something (when we clearly are), it must be true. Also, Hastert lied when he admitted to molesting those boys.

    Bump that thread if you really want to discuss it, you are ting up this one.
    You fled pretty quick from the other thread so I thought it prudent to remind people who haven't seen it that you defend admitted child molesters.

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    Summary: As long as we say we're not doing something (when we clearly are), it must be true. Also, Hastert lied when he admitted to molesting those boys.

    You fled pretty quick from the other thread so I thought it prudent to remind people who haven't seen it that you defend admitted child molesters.
    fled the thread. Sorry but I don't spend my weekends posting on Spurstalk.

    Stop dodging my question. Can a sexual assault occur even if both participants are willing yes or no?

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    "Legit ad homenim" means that it's actually a fallacy, not just an insult that gets called one by psuedo-intellectuals. Shas is legitimately trying to argue that TSA's character discredits his argument, and it's completely absurd, because TSA's potential support pedophiles has nothing to do with the fact that Trump protesters may be more violent than they're believed to be.

    This is an example of a fallacious argument, and people should take notes so they don't keep mixing it up. No amount of "evidence" to support the pedophile angle makes the argument more legitimate. In fact, I'm pretty sure the constructive in this thread isn't even being disputed anymore.
    There is no universal standard for credibility, pseudo-intellectual. Mindless partisanship does speak to a person's veracity on a political topic and has everything to do with the subject at hand.

    Try supporting your assertions with more than just handwaving next time. All you do here is point out your lack of vision and imagination.

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