what is this crap about manu and duncan not sure about retiring?? they need to go

[dbreiden83080]

This has nothing to do with the Spurs not winning this year. It has everything to do with Manu and Tim being done and the team needing to move on. You act like the Spurs are a lock to be an elite team with those two on the roster next year. They're not. They lack talent all over the place, and they need to replace it by seriously rebuilding the 4-15 on the roster. They can't afford for their depth to get worse for a fourth straight year. It's showing now. There aren't spoiled fans here, but there are a number of them that lack perspective.

It's an overall at ude that is the problem around here. The team wins 67 games but because they lose in the playoffs the year is written off as a failure. People want to dump the whole roster practically. Even during the year in winning 67, people had this at ude of "Well we can't beat the Warriors so whatever" And I never said Tim and Manu should be on the team next year, or that they want to be. But if they do, you and every other Spurs fan should support that for all they have done. The team is not in better shape to win it all next year with them gone. 67 wins is a lot of wins and next year they could win 55 but go further in the playoffs.. But during that 55 win season fans will and moan that we are not good enough..

[HankChinaski]

If the bench role is to bring energy and speed up the pace, then Tim will not fit there. He cannot transition well enough to fit that style. You need a fast big who can make the transition must faster if you're going to have a pace change during the sub out. If you're still playing the same old slow pace, you're just going to lose anyhow. Tim doesn't need to hang around to avoid going into the HOF with Kobe, that thought is silly because Tim doesn't give a about any of that. Tim's speech will last about 1 minute. The two entering at the same time would be fitting since they were rivals throughout their careers. So anyone who watched Kobe's retirement speech would see Tim there as well.

lol the things people think of to sustain their fandom.

I have been of the opinion that he will go through the summer to see who his body/knees react to rehab. If the better knee is a OK he comes back. If not he retires.

If it is still bad and be returns I am having your same view and that he definitely shouldn't return starter or bench

[kaji157]

I agree the Spurs have to improve, but i do not think you can get better production out of those 7.5 millions Tim and Manu eat.

They´ll do well in regular season and give your starters solid rest time, plus they can help from time to time in the playoffs.

They are not overpaid by any means, you need to improve the parts of the team where we are overpaying.

[HankChinaski]

Also I don't care about what year he goes in he is going in no matter what.

If the man comes back one more year on his contract it isn't a bad idea compared to the alternatives the Spurs would be spending with the cap increasing so long as a new role is established for him.

[skulls138]

So that means they SHOULD stay right? You being usually right on the money...in the opposite way. I get it, wink wink.

[spurraider21]

They earned to do whatever they want, tbh... it's very unlikely we're going to be winning championships in the next 2-3 years anyways, IMO, unless we get some fluke, magical rejuvenation season from either of those two guys...

OP might want to test the OKC waters in the meantime, tbh...

this is the same crap people will say about parker. makes sense for duncan and duncan alone

[BatManu20]

Duncan made this team what it is. He goes out on his own terms.

[spursistan]

Duncan made this team what it is. He goes out on his own terms.

[kaji157]

this is the same crap people will say about parker. makes sense for duncan and duncan alone

Not true, it makes sense for both as both have taken substantial pay cuts for the team and most likely the team is as it is right now because they have allowed it with their paycuts over and over.
This cannot be said for parker who always took really close to market value. He just never got a max contract because he never was a max player.

[SuperCam]

What big could we get that's better off the bench for 18 minutes a game than Tim for his salary?

Manure has to go though

[apalisoc_9]

It's an overall at ude that is the problem around here. The team wins 67 games but because they lose in the playoffs the year is written off as a failure. People want to dump the whole roster practically. Even during the year in winning 67, people had this at ude of "Well we can't beat the Warriors so whatever" And I never said Tim and Manu should be on the team next year, or that they want to be. But if they do, you and every other Spurs fan should support that for all they have done. The team is not in better shape to win it all next year with them gone. 67 wins is a lot of wins and next year they could win 55 but go further in the playoffs.. But during that 55 win season fans will and moan that we are not good enough..

You're missing the whole point. This team as currently constructed have very little offensive versatility and talent. Tim is a huge offensive liability at this point and Manu can barely attack the rim.

67 wins is nothing relative to the compe ion. OKC, CLE, GSW all have younger and multiple offensive talent. They might not be better fitted to win next year with them gone, but it does gives the spurs more room to operate as far as the cap is concerned.

Free agents that fit the spurs are hard to come by. If you're a contending team, you make moves that can improve your teams chances of winning. Staying Pat isnt going to to improve them. Making changes can.

[dbreiden83080]

67 wins is nothing relative to the compe ion. OKC, CLE, GSW all have younger and multiple offensive talent. They might not be better fitted to win next year with them gone, but it does gives the spurs more room to operate as far as the cap is concerned.

And who was really picking OKC to beat us a the start of the series? A lot of Monday morning QB's around here. Cleveland I would take the Spurs to beat them right now without blinking.. All the Spurs had to do was make one shot with less than 30 seconds left in game 5 and we likely have a game 7 in our building. Tony makes that jumper, one he has made so many times before.. A play here or there. That was it..

[SuperCam]

And who was really picking OKC to beat us a the start of the series? A lot of Monday morning QB's around here. Cleveland I would take the Spurs to beat them right now without blinking.. All the Spurs had to do was make one shot with less than 30 seconds left in game 5 and we likely have a game 7 in our building. Tony makes that jumper, one he has made so many times before.. A play here or there. That was it..

Cleveland would sweep this team could not keep up with them on offense who is going to stop kyrie? and if kawhi is on lebron he wouldnt have anything in the tank for the other end

and yes there were those of us who predicted thunder to win in 6

[apalisoc_9]

And who was really picking OKC to beat us a the start of the series? A lot of Monday morning QB's around here. Cleveland I would take the Spurs to beat them right now without blinking.. All the Spurs had to do was make one shot with less than 30 seconds left in game 5 and we likely have a game 7 in our building. Tony makes that jumper, one he has made so many times before.. A play here or there. That was it..

No one picked the thunder save maybe for TD21, but now that the results were out, proved to be that we were wrong.

OKC is not rhe only team out there. If the spurs somehow won that series. They were not the better team, they would have been obliterated by a better GSW and CLE.

Its time to move on.

[dbreiden83080]

Cleveland would sweep this team could not keep up with them on offense who is going to stop kyrie? and if kawhi is on lebron he wouldnt have anything in the tank for the other end

and yes there were those of us who predicted thunder to win in 6

We have beat Lebron in the finals twice. He wants no part of Leonard whatsoever. Did you even watch the 2014 finals?? And Kevin Love ing sucks..

[apalisoc_9]

We have beat Lebron in the finals twice. He wants no part of Leonard whatsoever. Did you even watch the 2014 finals?? And Kevin Love ing sucks..

Kevin love doesnt suck

Hes the reason why CLE has been taking a wet on every team in the east. Hes edsentially their most valuable offensive pieace. Hes been the reaso why they've been breaking all sorts of offensive record in the postseason.

[SuperCam]

We have beat Lebron in the finals twice. He wants no part of Leonard whatsoever. Did you even watch the 2014 finals?? And Kevin Love ing sucks..

this team got butt ed by westbrook, durant, adams and roberson and you don't think kyrie and lebron could push our in? spurshomer take tbh

[SuperCam]

6'8 boris and 6'9 offensive liability dwest against leBRon and Kevkin love


Kyrie the spur killer who unlike beastbrook can shoot threes

[024]

There's still room for Duncan... he anchored the best defense in the NBA and can play a Garnett role next year to ease the transition. No more than 15 minutes a game though and eventually another center should start over him. The $5.5 million will be overpaying for a 4-5th big but it's not that much. Spurs can pay the face of the ing franchise a couple million over market.

If Duncan wants to opt out and sign for the vet min, then that's up to him.

I'm 50-50 on Ginobili. He can take over Andre Miller's role as the insurance PG. His salary is like $2.9 million. Overpaid for a third string point guard, but again, not even by that much.

Spurs have great contracts... other than Parker's and maybe Diaw's. Parker's $14 million is just eating up so much space. If the Spurs really want to maximize their re-tool, Duncan and Ginobili will have to opt out and take the vet minimum. I think that'll free up an extra $8.5 million and the Spurs can sign the two after they go over the cap (similar to what they did this year). But those two still have value on the Spurs end of the bench.

If Duncan and Ginobili retire, the Spurs still have to find someone to replace them. And there's no guarantee they can find anyone better for their salary.

[tholdren]

It's an overall at ude that is the problem around here. The team wins 67 games but because they lose in the playoffs the year is written off as a failure. People want to dump the whole roster practically. Even during the year in winning 67, people had this at ude of "Well we can't beat the Warriors so whatever" And I never said Tim and Manu should be on the team next year, or that they want to be. But if they do, you and every other Spurs fan should support that for all they have done. The team is not in better shape to win it all next year with them gone. 67 wins is a lot of wins and next year they could win 55 but go further in the playoffs.. But during that 55 win season fans will and moan that we are not good enough..

They cannot go further with this group IMO. 67 wins, 55 wins, 40 wins, doesn't matter if they get to the playoffs and win less than 16.

[BSfromTX]

Love em. But we can't have these corpses taking up roster spots and ing up our season again. They need to go.

If they don't retire, ill become an OKC Thunder fan. You've been warned.

Seriously? Those two can do whatever they want......and as if anyone here cares you leave?

[soxxx]

To much prisoner of the moment stuff going on here, people wanted to blow the team up after 2011, 2012, 2013, what a mistake that would have been. Blowing up a 67 win team that lost games in the final minutes/refs would be a huge mistake. The West has peaked, next season OKC might not have Durant, the Warriors are peaking the same way the 2013 heat did.

I like our chances if we bring back the same team next year, especially if OKC loses Durant. To be honest to, I think the Spurs will come back with the same Hunger they did after 2013. We beat ourselves, clearly, our own mistakes did us in, in 2012 the Thunder just outclassed us, they didnt do that this year.

[tholdren]

To much prisoner of the moment stuff going on here, people wanted to blow the team up after 2011, 2012, 2013, what a mistake that would have been. Blowing up a 67 win team that lost games in the final minutes/refs would be a huge mistake. The West has peaked, next season OKC might not have Durant, the Warriors are peaking the same way the 2013 heat did.

I like our chances if we bring back the same team next year, especially if OKC loses Durant. To be honest to, I think the Spurs will come back with the same Hunger they did after 2013. We beat ourselves, clearly, our own mistakes did us in, in 2012 the Thunder just outclassed us, they didnt do that this year.

You would have thought the loss to the clippers was all the "hunger" spurs needed.

[TheGreatYacht]

What big could we get that's better off the bench for 18 minutes a game than Tim for his salary?

Manure has to go though

Agreed. Duncan and Parker have earned the right to stay, they took pay cuts and never cost the team a championship..

Same can't be said for others....

[r0drig0lac]

To much prisoner of the moment stuff going on here, people wanted to blow the team up after 2011, 2012, 2013, what a mistake that would have been. Blowing up a 67 win team that lost games in the final minutes/refs would be a huge mistake. The West has peaked, next season OKC might not have Durant, the Warriors are peaking the same way the 2013 heat did.

I like our chances if we bring back the same team next year, especially if OKC loses Durant. To be honest to, I think the Spurs will come back with the same Hunger they did after 2013. We beat ourselves, clearly, our own mistakes did us in, in 2012 the Thunder just outclassed us, they didnt do that this year.

really? we will be killed on the boards and by athletic teams again