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    Porker fan logic: "MVParker is the head of the snake, a superstar, the alpha! But we can't trade him because nobody else wants him."
    Porker hater logic? " spurs should violate the cba and renegotiate the contract" " we should trade our pg.at all costs regardless of whether we have a competent ball handler to replace him....100% addition via subtraction" "Patty mills can totally run the point"

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    Notice how the majority of the people who want us to hold on to parker till the end of his contract are fans of other teams, trolls, or jingoistic frenchies.

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    There are no realistic trade options in the last four pages--and most of the Parker haters weighed in with comments on his weight, lost a step, no defense, penchant for isos, etc.

    But they never came up with a good option, much less a realistic option. Parker is aging but we have no in-house replacement and no trades on the horizon that make sense. So fuggeddabou !

    We have to forget about LMA & Kwahi winning the championship using ISO hero ball. That means Pop has to develop an offense around a new Big 3, letting Parker go back to more shooting responsibility and options since the other options (Green & Patty) can't hack it. Maybe we can integrate LMA and Kwahi into a new version of the Beautiful game.

    And we will definitely need to upgrade our Center bigs for more rebounding. Otherwise we have no basketballs to put into any PGs hands.

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    Realistically you sign a PG and start Parker off the bench

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    Realistically you sign a PG and start Parker off the bench
    Even though Manu did it in his prime & Tim has been a great teammate/player and taken a lesser role, I still don't believe TP would be OK with that.

    We will see. I feel like in TP's mind he still feels he's a starter and with all he had to go through to earn that starters spot in his young days, I don't think he will be open to coming off the bench. It makes some sense for sure, and perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think he would be on Manu/Tim's level of engagement in a lesser role.

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    In thinking about it, maybe Pop telling TP he needs to come off of the bench (if indeed SA gets a viable PG option to start) is what allows SA to trade TP if it comes to that.

    Spurs can't just ship him out (especially if Tim/Manu retire - or heck, even if they don't). They will need TP to publicly request a trade or at least have credible sources say Pop asked TP to be a bench player, TP was not ok, so they were OK with seeking a trade so he could start somewhere.

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    Other way around.start Parker but let bench pg finish once lma and kawhi get their iso touches.

    Having a new pg start without knowing the system is dumb, however later in the game once everyone is in rhythm the system will be less important. If only patty wasn't a huge defensive liability and a pathetic passer this world have happened more this year.

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    Other way around.start Parker but let bench pg finish once lma and kawhi get their iso touches.

    Having a new pg start without knowing the system is dumb, however later in the game once everyone is in rhythm the system will be less important. If only patty wasn't a huge defensive liability and a pathetic passer this world have happened more this year.
    It's not dumb at all if SA gets the right PG. Sure, it will come with some bumps and bruises, just like when TP was handed the keys as a 19 year old, but it's about the long-term within next season.

    It would not have to be immediately either. Could come half way through the season; the point remains.

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    Porker fan logic: "MVParker is the head of the snake, a superstar, the alpha! But we can't trade him because nobody else wants him."
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    Realistically you sign a PG and start Parker off the bench
    They wont be able to sign a decent starter at PG if a bench player takes up $14M in cap space.

    If Parker is untradeable because of his contract, he will still start at PG. The front office may simply shore up the roster weaknesses by signing cheaper players. And there are effective ones who are available without breaking the bank. Like former targets Pau Gasol and Gustavo Ayon at the PF/C slots. Jeremy Lin as the backup PG. And Matt Barnes as the insurance at backup wing if they continue experimenting with Simmons and Anderson.

    If Parker is retained all through the end of his contract, his true value may be in recruiting Rudy Gobert when the latter becomes available.

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    Even though Manu did it in his prime & Tim has been a great teammate/player and taken a lesser role, I still don't believe TP would be OK with that.

    We will see. I feel like in TP's mind he still feels he's a starter and with all he had to go through to earn that starters spot in his young days, I don't think he will be open to coming off the bench. It makes some sense for sure, and perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think he would be on Manu/Tim's level of engagement in a lesser role.
    In thinking about it, maybe Pop telling TP he needs to come off of the bench (if indeed SA gets a viable PG option to start) is what allows SA to trade TP if it comes to that.

    Spurs can't just ship him out (especially if Tim/Manu retire - or heck, even if they don't). They will need TP to publicly request a trade or at least have credible sources say Pop asked TP to be a bench player, TP was not ok, so they were OK with seeking a trade so he could start somewhere.
    I believe Parker will be fine coming off the bench and even if he was not it's not like Pop would let him the choice if he thinks it is the best for the team. Parker is a lot of stuff but not stupid, he pretty much realized he past his prime and would benefit from playing off the bench.

    Parker repeated over and over he wants to retire as a Spurs, this is one the thing is most proud: being a Spurs for all his career. There is no scenario where they could make him ask for a trade, no one.

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    They wont be able to sign a decent starter at PG if a bench player takes up $14M in cap space.

    If Parker is untradeable because of his contract, he will still start at PG. The front office may simply shore up the roster weaknesses by signing cheaper players. And there are effective ones who are available without breaking the bank. Like former targets Pau Gasol and Gustavo Ayon at the PF/C slots. Jeremy Lin as the backup PG. And Matt Barnes as the insurance at backup wing if they continue experimenting with Simmons and Anderson.

    If Parker is retained all through the end of his contract, his true value may be in recruiting Rudy Gobert when the latter becomes available.
    There are a lot of players playing off the bench for 14 M starting with Manu who played for 14 M off the bench at 35 y/o and the cap space was much lower.

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    There are no realistic trade options in the last four pages--and most of the Parker haters weighed in with comments on his weight, lost a step, no defense, penchant for isos, etc.

    But they never came up with a good option, much less a realistic option. Parker is aging but we have no in-house replacement and no trades on the horizon that make sense. So fuggeddabou !

    We have to forget about LMA & Kwahi winning the championship using ISO hero ball. That means Pop has to develop an offense around a new Big 3, letting Parker go back to more shooting responsibility and options since the other options (Green & Patty) can't hack it. Maybe we can integrate LMA and Kwahi into a new version of the Beautiful game.

    And we will definitely need to upgrade our Center bigs for more rebounding. Otherwise we have no basketballs to put into any PGs hands.
    Parker cant hack it either and its because of age. On the contrary, he needs to become an even bigger facilitator than he was this season. And I agree we need to go back to passing the ball to find the open three. I think thats the biggest reason for Patty's and Greens decline and its not so wearing on Kawhi.

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    There are a lot of players playing off the bench for 14 M starting with Manu who played for 14 M off the bench at 35 y/o and the cap space was much lower.
    $14M per year or $14.5M for 2 years? There's a massive difference between the two.

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    I believe Parker will be fine coming off the bench and even if he was not it's not like Pop would let him the choice if he thinks it is the best for the team. Parker is a lot of stuff but not stupid, he pretty much realized he past his prime and would benefit from playing off the bench.

    Parker repeated over and over he wants to retire as a Spurs, this is one the thing is most proud: being a Spurs for all his career. There is no scenario where they could make him ask for a trade, no one.
    We will see. I hope so. I think he deserves to be a Spur until he's done & want him to be. I hope he's ok transitioning into a bench player as that would be a big help (assuming SA finds a starting caliber PG).

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    Tony Parker will remain a Spur intill he is 40.

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    The only realistic scenario for me is him retiring before the end of his contract
    His 2 main motivations were to keep playing with tim and manu and stay in shape for the 2016 olympics

    If Tim and Manu retires and Tony keeps declining I think he'll retire next year
    Why should he care about the money?

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    And It would be nice for the big 3 to retire together and going in the hof the same year together
    tony would like that IMO

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    Realistically you sign a PG and start Parker off the bench
    Basically this. He will never get traded or anything else.

    And It would be nice for the big 3 to retire together and going in the hof the same year together
    tony would like that IMO
    This might be a possibility.

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    I'd trade him for a nice watch:


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    It's not fair, no reason to do this, at least should give warning first, what they did to my account jinxed the spurs, they shouldn't did it...
    censorship from the man. its cool bro, just use your other account

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    Porker fan logic: "MVParker is the head of the snake, a superstar, the alpha! But we can't trade him because nobody else wants him."

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    Tony Parker will remain a Spur intill he is 40.
    Sadly, I actually believe this. And it's 6 more years of 2nd or WCF exits with him starting

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    Sadly, I actually believe this. And it's 6 more years of 2nd or WCF exits with him starting
    If Kiwi continues to be the first option, absolutely.

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    If Kiwi continues to be the first option, absolutely.
    so parker should be the first option?

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