No freaking way ^
Kyle alone is absolutely worth a mid first round pick. He's shown enough to be valued as a rotation player. Most of these picks will be out of the league in a year or two. If you look at the teams at 10-20 a lot of them could use a player like Kyle.
I think the biggest issue the Spurs will have in trying to acquire picks is that no GM wants to be responsible for the next George Hill/Kawhi trade.
NBA GMs are smarter than anyone on this or any other fan board. BUT, in context, you do have a point.Never underestimate the idiocy of GMs
You put 30 GMs together (or 30 people in any high-level profession), and they could easily be ranked from 1-30 best, so by default, some will be among the best and some among the worst.
Plus you have to consider the unique situation of each team and each GM. So when someone says "No team will trade for Parker or Diaw, etc" I just laugh. You could always have a lower-third GM outwitted by a top 5 GM, or you could have a GM who is desperate to save his job so he takes a risk.
We all know it's this way, because if not, every team would be a super team. Those GMs aren't stupid. Some of them just appear to be because of what I said above.
Do you have any idea of the value of a 16th pick? There are stats that show the likelihood of a 16 pick making it in the NBA. The odds aren't as good as you might think. Here is a long article by a MIT statistician about draft valuations. It's long and very dense mathematics are drawn from several sources.
Assessing the Relative Value of Draft Position in the NBA Drafthttp://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm
But here is a portion that may be valuable:
Figure 7: Estimated value of drafting with a given draft pick
Draft Pick 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Relative Value 100% 92% 87% 83% 78% 74% 70% 66% 63% 59%
Draft Pick 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Relative Value 56% 53% 50% 47% 45% 42% 40% 38% 36% 34% Table 2: Estimate of relative value of the first 30 draft picks in the NBA draft
Draft Pick 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Relative Value 32% 30% 29% 27% 26% 24% 23% 22% 21% 20%
Using these results, it is now possible to say that Portland could expect to obtain a player with the 1st pick who is a 35% better player than they could have selected with the 6th pick (1.00/0.74 = 135%). Similarly, by obtaining this year’s 9th pick as part of the Eddy Curry trade, Chicago could expect to draft a player over twice as good as they would have selected with the 23rd pick (0.63/0.29 = 217%). Of course, these expectations are averages, so only time will tell the true relative value of the 2007 draft picks. Tables 3 and 4 (see Appendix) list top and median players drafted in each position for reference.
I see it more likely that the 76ers actually pursue Mills now. If they draft Simmons (and they will) Brett Brown's aussie connections with both Mills and Simmons would make Mills an excellent mentor and veteran presence.
We would probably be able to get one of Philadelphia's other first rounders.
Why? PHILA needs a true PG and the Spurs a true Centre. Okafor is legit, young (20 y/o), averaged 17pts/7rebs and he's on a rookie contract. The Spurs could fill the PG spot with Conley and the SG spot with Batum. Granted not to a max contract.
PG - Conley
SG - Batum
SF - Kawhi
PF - LMA
C - Okafor
Celtics have way too many picks this season. They don't even have spots for all the picks they have so I doubt they take 3 players from us and certainly not Kyle even if they were to like him bc they have too many young dudes as it is, compared to us who only have 1 young dude. I know the Kyle hate crew wants to give him away but he stays put. Celtics would want a veteran so yea maybe they ask for Danny, who again, if we are now a super I bet duper old team why give up Danny one of the few players in his prime we have worth playing.
Bottom line, Spurs are holding on to what young players they have.
The guys we could give up are Mills and Diaw. Personally I think Mills stay put. The only one I see getting waived or traded is Diaw and that would be to a team wanting cap space. Maybe we even waive him ourselves.
Last edited by SAGirl; 05-18-2016 at 12:38 PM.
Green for the 16th would be more than fair, Spurs would not need to include their own pick. Green is much more accomplished than G. Hill was and he netted a 15th pick in what was seen a alright draft (at the time, that draft turned out to be good).
We will never know if the 67 wins was fools gold refs made sure of that.
this would probably work (although the Celtics already have intelligent, Bradley, IT and Rozier), but not worth it for SAS, Danny is already a proven player
Mills for the 24th or the 26th pick would be alright, assuming we could find a good enough replacement. Would be even better if:
Spurs get
24th pick
26th pick
Philly Gets
Mills
29th pick
but I doubt they would go for that.
Thanks for study and infographics. Interesting info
to the no if your Boston. 16th pick has more value than Paddy, Kyle and Boris combined.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 05-18-2016 at 01:10 PM.
Tyler MF Ulis
Could be a good deal, Boston would get a couple of bench vets with le experience.
no we are rolling with parker and using all of our cap to give him a raise he deserves it. Head of the snake.
After the Kawhi heist, every GM will think twice before dealing with RC on draft night .
1. Unless there's a specific player the Spurs like, e.g. Kawhi, they wouldn't do this trade for the sake of it, although it depends on what their plan for Boris and his partially guaranteed contract is. So, at best, it's a draft day trade, not now.
2. Boston have too many players and too many picks, they don't need a 1-for-2 trade, they need a many-for-1 trade.
Other than that I don't think they'd value the 16th pick that highly, due to talent decrease after the 7th-8th pick and having too many picks anyway. They'll need to make trades and if they don't strike gold for a star they'll be forced to sell their picks for 50c on the dollar.
Not all drafts are created equally, this draft is not that great. 16th pick is only but so valuable to them. Boston would probably be best suited grabbing rotation players. Mills and Diaw for the 16th, in theory, makes both sense for both teams. Spurs save $11.5 million and pick up a mid round 1st rounder while keeping their own pick. Boston picks up two rotation players with plenty of experience.
Boston has a slew of rotation players. They need top heavy talent. They can get a rotation player with way bigger upside by drafting at 16 as well.
Is that a made up name? A wrestler?
Why hang it up there? Is there a hang up button on the ass?
If Paddy and Diaw were so valuable, Spurs fans would want to keep them.What would Boston want with a broken down has-been PF who looks like he doesn't give two s on the court and an unclutch SG with a broken shot whom can't create offense for his teammates and plays wretched defense? Even if the draft is underwhelming, there's a better chance of finding some youngsters with more upside and potential at a fraction of the cost than bringing in a couple of overused vets that have very little to no upside. Boston is still building for the future so it's probably a best bet they wouldn't want to just throw their pick away.
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