I agree. Guys like LeBron don't even play defense until the 4th Q and Durant has Roberson to defend the most dangerous wing for about half a game. Kawhi doesn't have that bc Danny is usually taking the other threat in the perimeter which is Tony's man (a reason why a defensive PG that can handle his own man is a need to relieve the defensive burden, even if it is for 20 minutes a game).
Kawhi's current burden for our team is not the same as for those other guys, that's what they ignore. Game 2 I believe Kawhi picked up 2 or 3 quick fouls in the first Q too. He had to sit. Anyways this play-Kawhi-48-minutes crew won't care if he gets so burdened that his body breaks down. Even Danny's minutes are managed bc he too puts a tremendous burden on himself on defense. I have seen pictures of Danny icing all the way up every joint. /sigh
Coach LeBron has a great record in the finals. Makes pop look Uber vanilla.
And considering, on average, LeBron has made three the finals at a 100 percent clip, he should be considered a better coach as I can't think of any obvious reason that the playing field isn't directly even between levels of compe ion.
I've called op the emo kind of this forum, but he's also good at making irrelevant comparisons.
Yeah 2-3 makes pop's 5-1 record look like total
Kawhi's too injury prone for me to think playing him LeBron minutes is a good idea.
I will say though, Kawhi probably did need to play big minutes in the OKC series.
I thought that was what Pop rested his players for, to be fresh for the playoffs, and he didn't seem to have any other option since his bench lineups were getting killed by OKC.
It's interesting though that some people say resting hurt Kawhi's conditioning to play big minutes. I wonder how accurate is that statement.
Without this cute coach Kawhi is playing for the Knights or the Wizards so yeah you would not have to ask yourselfif we played Kawhi the entire second half
Spurs lost because Duncan body gave up at the worst moment not because you did not play a 15th pick enough
On a side note, unless you are a real re , you actually don't believe Lebron could continue play at this level 40 mn every PO games after 45 K mn on 13 seasons without being loaded like a horse. I do believe Spurs don't dope their players to that extend and it's certainly one of the reason their players don't play 40 mpg their entire career not because Pop is cute but just because it cannot be done naturally.
Without Pop you are light 5 and you are light being still relevant despite the big 3 being done. Next year Spurs will still be a top 5 franchise because of him.
But yeah if you don't want him anymore Celts like 90% of NBA franchises would take him in a heartbeat....
Spurs fans are massive gots tbh
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2016...-game-4-defeat
On one hand...op and Lue....on the other Pop and windhorts.But Lue made two classic coaching mistakes in responding to his first playoff loss on Saturday night. He overreacted to what happened in Game 3, and when he got nervous, he responded by playing LeBron James into the ground.
A tired Leonard is still better than Kyle Anderson. Pop did it with LMA too - elimination game - play your best players almost the whole game or you'll be resting the whole summer. I get the feeling that Pop thinks that if they can't win the championship, might as well get the whole summer to rest.
but you can play your kyle minutes in any quarter.....gassed leonard only appears in the 4th.
Also, tired leonard may be better than kyle, but he has to be better than Durant to beat okc. He wasn't and we lost.
Also LMAO, Tim Duncan's last game? PLZ PLAY LMA MORE!!>!>!>!>!>
you guys can't decide. boban, duncan, max lma, how do we beat Adams, kanter, etc.....? There isn't a good answer so pop went with one of the many bad options.
Post of the year!Without this cute coach Kawhi is playing for the Knights or the Wizards so yeah you would not have to ask yourself
Spurs lost because Duncan body gave up at the worst moment not because you did not play a 15th pick enough
On a side note, unless you are a real re , you actually don't believe Lebron could continue play at this level 40 mn every PO games after 45 K mn on 13 seasons without being loaded like a horse. I do believe Spurs don't dope their players to that extend and it's certainly one of the reason their players don't play 40 mpg their entire career not because Pop is cute but just because it cannot be done naturally.
Without Pop you are light 5 and you are light being still relevant despite the big 3 being done. Next year Spurs will still be a top 5 franchise because of him.
But yeah if you don't want him anymore Celts like 90% of NBA franchises would take him in a heartbeat....
Spurs fans are massive gots tbh
Some spurs fans are the massive ..
Been saying this loss is because of the decline of Tim for a while (and Ginobili), but ppl rather blame Pop than admit realities of life, ppl get old. Their idol player is not elite anymore and we didn't have the depth that we thought we had because of it.
He's logged no NBA minutes in the last couple of weeks. What do you call it?
Limiting minutes in games is the problem when your players can't play more than 35 minutes in the playoffs without getting winded. You'd be better off playing them 45 minutes every other game so they're ready for the playoffs.
This isn't just playing 45 minutes.....it's playing 45 minutes of !!!!!!! He's guarding the two best offensive talents in the league after curry and playing first option. Likewise LMA was the only healthy nba quality big we played. He clearly wore down as the series went on....dealing with a rotation of Adams, Kanter, etc with a gimpy dunc and a shorto west will really wear him down.
It's been said already, that resting during the season does not equal conditioning. Conditioning happens on bikes and runs and . Yes, playoffs basketball is unique but basketball is demanding on joints in a unique way.
Again, we are not talking about normal scrubs here, we are talking two way talent. It's an order of magntuder above normal scrub nba player output. If 2014 was the proof that management of minutes is ideal, how are 2015 and 2016 suddenly more important?
Face it kiwi and Lame are not better than Durant, westy, Adams.
People have told me i'm underestimating the talent of this team and that we were easily more talented than OKC. I don;t see it. Maybe during the RS but our guys clearly faded as the season wound down. And no amount of conditioning would overcome OKC's size.
Jesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
Never say the Lords name in vain...Jesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
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no rebuttal just spin, lol Delladova is our saviorJesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
The opposite of resting is overplaying which is what makes Thibs a bad coach.
Is there a healthy compromise? Sure...but a blanket "resting caused kawhi to gas" is dumb. Defending two top 10 talents gassed him. There is no preparing for that. WE did not lose because kyle got 10m, we lost bc of size. Kawhi had his chances to win the series, just like last year, failed more often than not. Great player, but not a generational talent that can win by fiat like Duncan and Lebron can. Fanboys get mad when you say that, but i feast on their tears.
Anyway, i think playing kawhi for a whole game every 10 games in the RS is fine. But in a year in which we posted a historically great differential saying kawhi should play though garbage time, while Pop tried to reinvent a dominate bench is pretty dumb.
I agree with you. Christ.Jesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
Kawhi as it stands right now does not have the mental fatigue or even Physical fatigue to get through a 40m game having the same responsibility.
The biggest issue with pops managing is that it assumes that by resting Leonard, it allowes him to have more Gas in the 4th but the reality of what has happened is that it backfired and the dude can barely play at the same level anymore in the 4th.
Playing him 40 every playoff game this year though would have made no difference since his body is not accustomed to heavy minutes. It worked when he had a lesser offensive responsibility and he can afford to rest on Offense, but its pretty clear now that he just runs out of breath. Pop just made the bad assumption that Kawhi 2014 would show up in thost 40 minute games...but terrible assumption sonce his role is now significantly different.
It works with older guys because they are naturally never going to play 38mpg. It doesnt really work with younger guys because their bodies work differently.
Every Superstar out there, Including curry gets extended minutes. We will see if hes sill stuborn next year when so many analyst are saying the same thing.
Jesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
Lebron will never win another ring.
Getting tired isn't just about body condition, it's a mental thing, too.
Most young players learn when to go, when to save energy, how to deal with fatigue, playing many minutes in regular season games.
Kawhi barely plays +30 mpg...He never had the opportunity to know how play 40 minutes or more in a game.
That's why resting hurts his physical and mental conditioning.
Jesus..reading K talk about basketball is like pouring acid into my eyes. Terrible takes.
Ben Golliver, Haralsbos and a lot of other smart analyst have talked about how detrimental it is for younger guys to micromanage them.
No, he didn't have to sit. He wasn't in foul trouble for the rest of the game, he finished the game with only 3 fouls.
Pop sat him -and Danny, Parker, Tim- remaining 6 minutes in the 1st quarter because he overreacted to OKC lead, sitting his 3 best defenders at the same time...it didn't end so well.
Like it or not, Pop made many mistakes in the series.
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