Nope, only Kawhi, oh and the first one doesn't count because of reasons...
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Kawhi wasn't the problem, he would have been better if the team didn't rely on him to do everything. Just like LeBron in the finals last year. We need more depth at PF/C and PG
Rich man's DeRozan. Vastly overrated but, still a good player.
And just like that, the kawhi haters show up. Bunch of dumb es in here.
How can the team rely on KL to do anything when he can't dribble, pass, or create for others?
I have listed the following:
1. Pop apologists - the worst - now there are more claiming that pop is not what he seemed with TD in his prime... no kidding
2. Splitter apologists - overtook the pop apologists for awhile - but they would rather say his injuries are more to do with his shiftiness than his play, oh well, these people are stupid.
3. KL apologists - they are pretty much the splitter crew, which overvalue one end of the floor and don't understand the offensive poop that is KL from a PERIMETER player's perspective. These fans are between 11 and 16 years of age and completely duped by media and nba live. Like the above 2, these apologists are also dumb as , as they feel it totally appropriate for perimeter players to have no dribbling or attacking ability (green leonard) and still think that defense alone can win the game. Opposite view of most ghetto nba fans, who think dunking only matters, neglects all aspect of the game just as much as their more ignorant counterparts.
In the near future, 2 way players, REAL two way players, will be recognized around the league - when actual advanced stats are analyzed correctly by basketball fans rather than children and team/player fans.
Carry on
Kawhi was 6th in the LEAGUE in PER (26.0). Get a clue. There are clearly plenty of 11 and 16 year old kids on this forum who understand basketball better than you....
No attacking ability? How is he supposed to do that with two low post players clogging the lane the entire game? He still had one of the highest dunk ratios in the league, regardless. ing morons still drunk from the last Spurs game.
You're clueless.
Sequ is just trolling as usual...
...but anyone who thinks Kawhi is over-rated should go find themselves another team. Seriously.
It's the same slobbering brain trust that would rather have a guy jumping high, drooling on the rim and chucking ill-advised jumpers, than playing good basketball. The unfortunate problem is, those same mouth breathing neck beards run the league now. The NBA is hideous, selfish basketball at an all-time high. Kawhi is as throw-back as it gets.
So one player is suppose to win the series?...Its a team game bro.....The whole team lost the series......
Kawhi is not overrated around the league but he is severly overrated by Spurs fans
Lebron lost 4 finals actually: 07, 11, 14, and 15. And soon to be 16.
Now that the Spurs are done for the year, it's time for player fan wars, people either defending their own sacred cow or trying to light an opposing group's sacred cow on fire. Truth be told with the exception of the Raptors (the East is pretty weak) the only teams still alive in the playoffs all contain a player (or in OKC's case 2) that would wildly considered ahead of the Kingslayer in the mythical pound for pound who is the best player in the NBA right now list. That means the Spurs have to give KL a better supporting cast than the aforementioned players ahead of him for him to win les, that is not a slight in any way.
Did you just spoil Space Jam 2?
I do think Kawhi still has a way to go to grow into a true generational player. He's in the same tier as Paul George and Cousins. That's below Lebron, who's in his own tier, and probably the tier with Durant, Curry and CP3. I still think the Leonard/LMA pair needs another star in addition to the role-players the Spurs are known for creating. That shouldn't be something that inspires a ton of controversy. That doesn't mean that Kawhi isn't a top-seven player. It's just that there is more striation in the top-seven than people want to admit.
Lebron lost 4 Finals.
Kawhi is not a superstar. He's incredibly effective and amazing but so is Paul George. Kawhi has the benefit of playing on a team that knew how to win in the regular season even without him. Superstars take over games in the post season. Kawhi has never done that. Even when he won the Finals MVP he didn't necessarily take over the game. He doesn't run the team, and the team doesn't run through Kawhi. It went from running through Tony/Tim/Manu to running through LMA in the post. For KL to be a superstar, the team has to make him the "feed him until they stop him" guy and that hasn't happened and he hasn't forced it. His defense is good enough to make him a monster, and his offense is on par with some of best players in the game given the same opportunities. So it's not his talent that prevents him from being a superstar, it's his role on the team. Tim was really the only superstar for the Spurs. Tony was more noted for his marriage to Eva than his game, and he has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Tim was a bonafide superstar. Kawhi is a star, higher level and talent-wise one of the best in the game, but superstar means more than that. Some media folk will say he is, but if you have to say he is then he's probably not. No one says Lebron is, or that Curry is, or that KD or Westbrook are. It's assumed.
Malone, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley I guess didn't win a championship because they were not superstars.
So just to clarify, are you saying Kawhi is a "latent superstar" (my term) who is mostly held back by the system, but in a different context his latent talent would manifest?
No attacking ability is not necessarily as true as either scared to attack, or too dumb to attack. Either way, not good.
Yes, in a way, and no, at the same time.
Yes - because he has work ethic and unteachable skills and hands like softball gloves
No - Because he doesn't take over the game on the offensive end, recedes into the shadows on offense for long stretches and allows others to play around him instead of demanding the ball. He has to be told to be aggressive. Superstars don't need that. They have to be told to share the ball (unfortunately). Also because he doesn't have the over-the-top extrovert personality to sell himself to the media and fans. Purists love him, coaches love him, players love him and fans of other teams see him as something they'd like to have on their team, but they always list an offensive player ahead of him because he doesn't scream like Westbrook or shimmy like Curry or have any baby powder to throw into the air.
Also, I think Kawhi is the one who isn't convinced of his greatness. Most others are well aware of it. Kawhi has only recently become a scorer. He's going to be better next year than he was this year if Tim and Manu retire, because he has to be and he has the con.
That part doesn't matter at all. If he scored 30 ppg, nobody would care about his personality or media relations. Well, maybe the canonical "idiot casual fan" would, but them.
I think it's possible to be a superstar who naturally shares the ball, but that's only if you're a distributor like Lebron or Magic. Kawhi isn't that kind of player, but he can still improve offensively and become the superstar you have in mind, I think. He's only 24. He's not even peaking yet.
I still think Durant was robbed
Scoring PPG does not make you a SUPERSTAR, when you score your PPG, make your assists, get your steals, etc. do.
Sure, you can redefine the term however you like. The media won't follow suit and it's a media created term. Do other teams build their defensive scheme to stop him? Would you build a team around him? Has he ever been alpha on the team? If so I haven't seen it. I've seen plenty times when he could though. He's insanely talented.
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