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Yeah I knew that was from the article. The point still stands regardless. Don't tell me you don't share of the same sentiment though
Clips fans admiring JJB, smh ...
Yeah I knew that was from the article. The point still stands regardless. Don't tell me you don't share of the same sentiment though
25 ppg on 23 shots is hardly impressive. Durant has easily been the better player in the Spurs and GSW series.
Open your eyes watch the film or look at the series stats I posted if you arent being biased then you are just wrong. Russ is leading by almost every metric
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-25-2016 at 08:01 PM.
A lot of more efficient Players are at home watching Russ do work ..
I have. He was great against the Mavs, mediocre against the Spurs and good/great against the Warriors.
Durant was mediocre at best against the Mavs, good/great against the Spurs, and good/great against the Warriors.
Both have had up and down games.
Difference is Durant has been the focus of opposing defenses and Westbrook hasn't. Russ feasted when he's been up against a smaller/ ty defender (Mavs series, Parker, Curry), when he had Kawhi on him he was pretty bad.
He'd be at home watching the playoffs if he didn't have an efficient teammate...
What? He didnt do as well against the the two time dpoty?
Gtfo!!!
If Durant is the more effective player why was kiwi on him?
And why is Russ leading the nba in many key metrics and per game numbers. Outside of shooting efficiency and rim protection not much thst KD is doing better than Russ.and of course they need each other every great player needs a great wing man ..
And lol russ is not the focus?! look at the article from Lowe I posted ...i hate the term,but if that is not a vanilla casual fan take ...I am not sure what is.
Well, that was easy, tbh.
And as a Spurs fan that suffered the series I can honestly say that no, Westbrook was more important than Durant in the Spurs series.
Appreciate your honesty ...of course he still shoots,3s like (another common trait of youknowwho, Amb)
Despite that he still imprints the game with so much force only LeBron does it more ...but Russ is more aggresive ...
Sorry son. i meant "wasn't". Westbrook wasn't more important than Durant. My bad, tbh.
Ha cantvtake it back, son ...Sorry son. i meant "wasn't". Westbrook wasn't more important than Durant. My bad, tbh.
I give the Dublets an ~80% chance of winning tonight, it's at home and they'll be pumped... if Thunderefs can close out in Oracle I'll be unexpectedly and extremely impressed.
nothing impressive about okc 2 man team who takes up most of the offensive possessions, hoping others hit their shots when pass too
I am not even sure if you remember what you wrote, this is actually what you said:
You didn't say Westbrook reminded you of Kobe, you said Westbrook IS Kobe. Huge difference.
And the article you wrote said NOTHING about inefficient chucking. It's all about demeanour and mindset, and had a quote about postups, which Westbrook doesn't even do.
No question Westbrook is outplaying Steph, it's pretty clear that is the case, and I am not arguing otherwise.
Is that a debatable point or is that just your opinion?Real talk, you have some of the tiest analogies ...
So great, Westbrook is the #2, and so was Kobe. We all know that, except you.
The difference is that they stepped up their game, we all know that too.
But they are still the #2.
And if saying that Durant + Westbrook is the best 1-2 punch since Shaq + Kobe means that Westbrook = Kobe, does that also mean Durant = Shaq?
So the role players stepped up, and again, this speaks to the importance of building the right team around superstars to win championships, future invalidating that superstar rings should be used to evaluate the greatness of a player.
I am not arguing that Russ is not the #2 smart guy. I agree also Kobe was the #2 on the 3peat ...I may have a case for a 1A/1B (with shaq as the A) in 2002 but overall Shaq was clearly the #1. Durant is the #1 as well ...but what does that have to do with this argument? That is why it's called a 1-2 punch. Sometimes like the example you used with Shaqobe the #2 is able to take advantage of the matchup or the attention the #1 gets We all know this. I never denied any of that. (Games 3 and 4 vs Sacramento in 2001) come to mind for shaqobe. The same case can be made here but I am not seeing that and the numbers dont bear that out either.
.I notice you ignored all the metrics that support what I said but you only have lengthy multi-quote answers when you THINK you are right ... so what do you say about those numbers Amb? I am "calling you out" as you like to say ... Zach Lowe even provided video evidence showing teh attention hat Wesbrook is getting from the Warriors but of course ESPN is full of when it doesnt fit your arguments.
The numbers support Westbrook as the more impactful by almost any metric outside of shooting efficiency but do numbers only matter when they support your cause.
Also
Was Parker the #1 when he won finals MVP?
Iggy?
Kiwi?
No.
You don't have to be the #1 to be the series, playoffs or finals MVP genius ... that is a foolish argument.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-26-2016 at 08:37 AM.
I guess all those stats, and you explicitly saying Russ is the best player means that he is the #2. I guess it's your opinion the best player is a #2 and I can't argue that.
And Durant is getting that attention as well..I notice you ignored all the metrics that support what I said but you only have lengthy multi-quote answers when you THINK you are right ... so what do you say about those numbers Amb? I am "calling you out" as you like to say ... Zach Lowe even provided video evidence showing teh attention hat Wesbrook is getting from the Warriors but of course ESPN is full of when it doesnt fit your arguments.
Those numbers focus on the playoffs, not this series.
Durant scored more, less TO, shot better, fouled less, and is playing better defense in the series.The numbers support Westbrook as the more impactful by almost any metric outside of shooting efficiency but do numbers only matter when they support your cause.
And you are getting things mixed up, I am not arguing Durant is the better player, that is another user, so I am not exactly sure why you are dragging this into it. I am arguing you are trying to crowbar Kobe in a situation which has nothing to do with it.
Has Westbrook won the FMVP? Did I say Durant is better because he won the Finals MVP?
1. I did not crowbar I made a comparison. Russ reminded me of Kobe in 2009 just much more athletic.
2. I posted the series stats as well but because you are so quick to try and show how smart you are ..you ignored that one.
3. A PG with a high usage rate has more turnovers than a SF? Shocking
4. I am not confusing anything my original point was Russ was the MVP or the playoffs and he reminded me of Kobe in 2009. you had an issue with the comparison ... I gave you the reason why but rather than focus on my original post you sidetracked in to a Kobe debate as you are want to do. I showed you proof that National writers,a local writer Russ, Kobe all have made a comparison and then you resorted to the normal bull arguments you usually do.
5. BTW, you are so full of russ does post up and has a post move when it calls for it. I dont think it looks much like Kobe's tbh ...like how kobe copied MJ but to say he does not shows me you dont know as much about Russ as you are trying to claim.
6. Dont try to backtrack now ...you said specifically it wasnt as much about Russ and trying to imply I dont value the role players ... I gave them plenty of credit , I also compared durant to Dirk in 2011 as the role player like Roberson the the ones on that squad ...but you had no FREAKING issue with THOSE comparisons only with a four letter word that starts with "K" that gets you all bent out of shape
7. Dont be obtuse. I didnt say Westbrook was a FMVP, My point is that a #2 ( Iggy wasnt even that) can be and have proven to be the most valuable to a series win (Parker is debatable) ... doesnt your MVPau prove that in your book?
Series so far ...
You didn't say he reminded you of, you said he IS in 2009 Kobe mode, and that he is a Kobe wannabe. That is not reminding.
I am not even exactly sure why I should comment on that. I never said a thing about Westbrook < Durant before that.
But it is.
So your original post was about Russ reminding you of Kobe in 2009 (despite you saying he is in that mode), and that me having an issue with it is not focusing on it? What the are you talking about?4. I am not confusing anything my original point was Russ was the MVP or the playoffs and he reminded me of Kobe in 2009. you had an issue with the comparison ... I gave you the reason why but rather than focus on my original post you sidetracked in to a Kobe debate as you are want to do. I showed you proof that National writers,a local writer Russ, Kobe all have made a comparison and then you resorted to the normal bull arguments you usually do.
Russ is a go to the rack player, he is not a post up player at all.
Yeah, they are winning because the role players have stepped up. It's not like Westbrook never got into this mode before. He was in this mode all year last year (or was that the one before?), and OKC couldn't even make the playoffs because Durant was hurt and the role players stunk.6. Dont try to backtrack now ...you said specifically it wasnt as much about Russ and trying to imply I dont value the role players ... I gave them plenty of credit , I also compared durant to Dirk in 2011 as the role player like Roberson the the ones on that squad ...but you had no FREAKING issue with THOSE comparisons only with a four letter word that starts with "K" that gets you all bent out of shape
What analogy did I use that is applicable? It's rich that your analogies are so bad I don't even know what the you are talking about, when you said I made the worst analogies.7. Dont be obtuse. I didnt say Westbrook was a FMVP, My point is that a #2 ( Iggy wasnt even that) can be and have proven to be the most valuable to a series win (Parker is debatable) ... doesnt your MVPau prove that in your book?
Seriously, Amb without your favorite whipping boy your arguments are . If you were dumb I would feel sorry for you and move on but I know I shouldn't need to spell out that when I say he is in Kobe 2009 mode or say he is the wannabe Kobe that I putting a little extra on the first point and did not mean he was a carbon copy. HE REMINDS me of Kobe. That is is it. Russ is so unique even if Kobe is the one that I see the he really is more of a hybrid of Kobe/Lebron/Iverson just tough to find a close comparison but Kobe is who comes to mind me first.
I am done on that subject so please move on because I already spent more than i planned to on a retired player in a gamethread... if you dont have anything to contribute to the Russ has been more impactful debate or about players in this series please start another thread to discuss the retired player. I made the comparison but I was speaking about the greatness of Russ you of course has to make it about your "favorite player" or try to engage me in measuring contest where you will always come up short ...
Kidding. Let's move on cuz I know you, and this will keep going on for days and you are pulling it away from series debates.
So to reset ...
Again i feel Russ has been the BEST player in this series please tell me why you disagree amb?
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-26-2016 at 11:14 AM.
State needs a epic collapse by OKC tonight or a Cavs like blowout ...
A mediocre win does nothing to change the tone of this series ...
If OKC can withstand the GSW runs, they will be fine. If they get up by 15, call timeout and cut it back to less than 10. If OKC has a good sized lead, and GSW cut the lead to 6. Call a timeout and try and get it back up to double digits. Basketball is a game of runs and being to withstand them. At least the NBA today.
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